Huntley

[Beach Hut]

Has anyone on NSC done any time and if so, can they confirm that it's really ace in jail?

I went to a detention centre and I suppose it was ace as I kept my job when I left after two weeks and was put on leave - paid whilst there

 

[desprateseagull]

anyone for bringing back stoning to death? let the victims/families have the first 100 shots..

 

[Nibble]

I don't think they should officialy sentance him to death but they should just put child killers in with the rest of the prison population. He would be dead by the morning and the job would be done. A good stairwell nonce-bashing is what that **** needs.

 

[Pavilionaire]

This scenario was always going to arise.

I maintain what I said at the time he was found guilty, which is you put him in a single room for a month and in that room you put a knife, some cyanide, a chair and a rope.

You then leave it up to him and his conscience. If, after the month, he's still alive then keep him in prison for life.

 

[bhaexpress]

Has anyone on NSC done any time and if so, can they confirm that it's really ace in jail?

As a matter of fact yes I have and I know at least two other people who have. BTW, what I was in for was nothing like one or two people think it was for ABH. (I might point out that the Police don't tend to let the truth get in the way of a good story and will quite happily commit purgery if they think can get away with it).

Anyway, whilst my stay was short I can tell the bigest problem I had was boredom. Actually I was in a very modern prison so designed that violence was rare and homosexuality totally non existant. I doubt you'll ever find a bigger bunch of homophobes than in a prison.

The screws (warders to you civilians) were in the main a pretty nice bunch of men and women (yes there are quite a few female screws). You play ball with them and they play ball with you. In fact I was quite popular party because I was always cheerful and I also used to help many of the other prisoners write letters. Many prisoners are illiterate or in fact barely literate. One interesting aspect was the toral lack of emnity between black and white prisoners. I won't say they socialised that much (although I shared a cell with huge black guy who I am friends with today) but there was no racism. I remember one young black kid being dragged into the showers and being quite badly 'slapped' by several other blacks who felt his attitude was cuasing probems. I might add that the screws turned a blind eye. I got on well with the black guys as my cell mate was in with all of them, I also don't drink milk or take sugar so it didn't do me any harm to always have it to spare. Also, I don't smoke (neither did my cell mate) which helped us get along and also we were not slaves to the weed. I've seen guys smoke tea leaves when their fags raun out.

Their were two kinds of currency in their, phone cards and tobacco. You were only supposed to have a certain amount of both. You had a real mix and match of prisoners in there. Many had short sentences (as low as a weekend) right up to people doing ten years or more. Lifers were separate and had a different regiem to make their lives more bearable but mainly to stop them kicking off. The Rule 43 nonces were on a separate wing and were alleded to have had a better time (this may have been a rumour). They would taunt 'normal' prisoners if they could which was pretty stupid because if one came into contact with mainstream prisoners they would get at least a severe kicking. One treatment was having boiling water full if sugar thrown over them, the sugar ensured that the scalding heat did not just slide off.

I got on well with a couple of armed blaggers. These guys are carreer criminals and are considered the prison elite. They were very like Rinnie Barker in Porridge, prison was just an occupational hazard. I also got on well with a Yardie called Po po. He would talk with a broad West Indiam Patois but would speak in a perfectly normal accent to white guys. He was a very nice bloke and I was shocked to hear that when he got out he was to be extradited to Jamiaca where he faced several murder charges, you would never have known.

Another guy I met was an out and out God botherer, this guy clearly was demented. He would read his Bible out loud and proclaimed how God was our saviour and so on). He was having a trail at the time so would have to go off to court every day. He would take a sack full of briefs with him each time as he had apparently sacked two sets of counsel. I didn't find out what he'd done until I was out and saw his picture in the Evening Standard. He got 24 years. His crime ? Well he'd imprisoned his ex-girlfriend and repeatedly raped and totured her for several months until she managed to escape, starknaked. As an after thought he had several charges for underage sex as well. Actually this bloke caused a change in the law because he decided to represent himself he was allowed to cross examine his victims and cause them considerable distress in the process. That won't happen now. What was slightly surprising that he was with the mainstream prisoners and that the screws never said what he'd done as a whole lot of people found his religous rantings more than a little irritating. Had we known he was such a hypocrit he possibly wouldn't have by.

I think some people have a completely wrong idea about prison, it's not a holiday but unlike American prisons it's really not very dangerous either. I was in a modern prison but I know conditions in some of Britain's older nicks like Wandsworth and Walton in Liverpool are not so clever. Many of these establishments don't have flush toilets in the cells for a start. I was given to understand that the private prisons were a bit of a soft touch and I know that the screws were pretty contemptuous of them. Mind you for some reason most screws didn't like the Police either (it may because they felt they were inferior and in fact many had tried to get into the Police but were not good enough).

Mind you I also recently recently read the first book in Jeffrey Archer's trilogy about his time inside and as we were in the same nick all I can say that a whole lot of what he wrote was total fiction. No huge surprise though has he was inside for lying. One thing I do know though is that not all prison in habitants should be in there. There's no treatment for junkies and watching somebody go cold turkey is not funny. However there are also many who are in there who should never be allowed out. WHy waste time keeping people like Huntley alive especially when he probably has it easy than many prisoners because he can't be in with the majority for the sake of his health.

 

[glasfryn]

Easy way out. Let him suffer as long and painful as poss. Bit like Ian Brady trying to starve himself to death, no way !! Let him suffer for as long as possible.

Brady like Huntley are attracting attention(Huntley actually went and told a prison officer that he had taken an overdose) if he meant to kill himself would ha have done that ..................my theory is he wants to go to a hospital for the criminally insane (Broadmoor,Rampton) where he will have an easier life especially if he is allowed to go onto RULE 43 (kept away from other prisoners).

 

[Buzzer]

But your right honurable mr wilko, he wont acutally spend his life in a prison cell will he, he will get parole in teh next 5-10 years and then let back out into society. currently, he has a nice cell, tv, sky - he even has his own facebook page! all this at tax payers expense. He will never make a useful contribution to society nor will he give anything back.

Yes, he should be punished - but in the proper way, we cant hang the fucker but why cant he spend the rest of his days rotting in a cell without modern comforts, rehab programmes and education? Prisoners get better treatment than people on teh outside.

2 points:

• Huntley will NEVER be let out. He is a cause celebre and any Home Office minister would be committing political suicide (excuse the pun) - it's why Hindley and Brady, Nilsson, Sutcliffe will/have lived the rest of their unnatural lives rotting in a jail.
• I would say that I'd be quite happy to keep Huntley alive. He knows that every time he tries to kill himself he will be brought back into the horrible world he created for himself. Jeez - that's real suffering and he knows it, hence the suicide attempts. Myra Hindley knew it too.

 

[glasfryn]

As a matter of fact yes I have and I know at least two other people who have. BTW, what I was in for was nothing like one or two people think it was for ABH. (I might point out that the Police don't tend to let the truth get in the way of a good story and will quite happily commit purgery if they think can get away with it).

Anyway, whilst my stay was short I can tell the bigest problem I had was boredom. Actually I was in a very modern prison so designed that violence was rare and homosexuality totally non existant. I doubt you'll ever find a bigger bunch of homophobes than in a prison.

The screws (warders to you civilians) were in the main a pretty nice bunch of men and women (yes there are quite a few female screws). You play ball with them and they play ball with you. In fact I was quite popular party because I was always cheerful and I also used to help many of the other prisoners write letters. Many prisoners are illiterate or in fact barely literate. One interesting aspect was the toral lack of emnity between black and white prisoners. I won't say they socialised that much (although I shared a cell with huge black guy who I am friends with today) but there was no racism. I remember one young black kid being dragged into the showers and being quite badly 'slapped' by several other blacks who felt his attitude was cuasing probems. I might add that the screws turned a blind eye. I got on well with the black guys as my cell mate was in with all of them, I also don't drink milk or take sugar so it didn't do me any harm to always have it to spare. Also, I don't smoke (neither did my cell mate) which helped us get along and also we were not slaves to the weed. I've seen guys smoke tea leaves when their fags raun out.

Their were two kinds of currency in their, phone cards and tobacco. You were only supposed to have a certain amount of both. You had a real mix and match of prisoners in there. Many had short sentences (as low as a weekend) right up to people doing ten years or more. Lifers were separate and had a different regiem to make their lives more bearable but mainly to stop them kicking off. The Rule 43 nonces were on a separate wing and were alleded to have had a better time (this may have been a rumour). They would taunt 'normal' prisoners if they could which was pretty stupid because if one came into contact with mainstream prisoners they would get at least a severe kicking. One treatment was having boiling water full if sugar thrown over them, the sugar ensured that the scalding heat did not just slide off.

I got on well with a couple of armed blaggers. These guys are carreer criminals and are considered the prison elite. They were very like Rinnie Barker in Porridge, prison was just an occupational hazard. I also got on well with a Yardie called Po po. He would talk with a broad West Indiam Patois but would speak in a perfectly normal accent to white guys. He was a very nice bloke and I was shocked to hear that when he got out he was to be extradited to Jamiaca where he faced several murder charges, you would never have known.

Another guy I met was an out and out God botherer, this guy clearly was demented. He would read his Bible out loud and proclaimed how God was our saviour and so on). He was having a trail at the time so would have to go off to court every day. He would take a sack full of briefs with him each time as he had apparently sacked two sets of counsel. I didn't find out what he'd done until I was out and saw his picture in the Evening Standard. He got 24 years. His crime ? Well he'd imprisoned his ex-girlfriend and repeatedly raped and totured her for several months until she managed to escape, starknaked. As an after thought he had several charges for underage sex as well. Actually this bloke caused a change in the law because he decided to represent himself he was allowed to cross examine his victims and cause them considerable distress in the process. That won't happen now. What was slightly surprising that he was with the mainstream prisoners and that the screws never said what he'd done as a whole lot of people found his religous rantings more than a little irritating. Had we known he was such a hypocrit he possibly wouldn't have by.

I think some people have a completely wrong idea about prison, it's not a holiday but unlike American prisons it's really not very dangerous either. I was in a modern prison but I know conditions in some of Britain's older nicks like Wandsworth and Walton in Liverpool are not so clever. Many of these establishments don't have flush toilets in the cells for a start. I was given to understand that the private prisons were a bit of a soft touch and I know that the screws were pretty contemptuous of them. Mind you for some reason most screws didn't like the Police either (it may because they felt they were inferior and in fact many had tried to get into the Police but were not good enough).

Mind you I also recently recently read the first book in Jeffrey Archer's trilogy about his time inside and as we were in the same nick all I can say that a whole lot of what he wrote was total fiction. No huge surprise though has he was inside for lying. One thing I do know though is that not all prison in habitants should be in there. There's no treatment for junkies and watching somebody go cold turkey is not funny. However there are also many who are in there who should never be allowed out. WHy waste time keeping people like Huntley alive especially when he probably has it easy than many prisoners because he can't be in with the majority for the sake of his health.

yes I have spent many years in prison and in many prisons AS AN OFFICER and to respond to your comments about screws most are OK and believe it or not most of the cons (convicts to you) were OK and I disliked the police long before I joined up .......but will not go into the reasons why,I spent most of my time with long termers and lifers and can safely say a lot of them I would share a drink with but its been a long time and things might have changed.

 

[bhaexpress]

yes I have spent many years in prison and in many prisons AS AN OFFICER and to respond to your comments about screws most are OK and believe it or not most of the cons (convicts to you) were OK and I disliked the police long before I joined up .......but will not go into the reasons why,I spent most of my time with long termers and lifers and can safely say a lot of them I would share a drink with but its been a long time and things might have changed.

Glad you share my views. As far as I was concerned the screws were just people doing a job and I never had an issue with them. In fact I woud go so far to say that most would offer help when and if they could and they did like to share a joke too. I shoud also mention that there were some university educated Prison Officers as they wanted a senior carreer in the service and I can't honestly say I met any stupid screws, it's by no means a simple job and can be quite thankless at times.

 

[cjd]

As a matter of fact yes I have and I know at least two other people who have. BTW, what I was in for was nothing like one or two people think it was for ABH. (I might point out that the Police don't tend to let the truth get in the way of a good story and will quite happily commit purgery if they think can get away with it).

Anyway, whilst my stay was short I can tell the bigest problem I had was boredom. Actually I was in a very modern prison so designed that violence was rare and homosexuality totally non existant. I doubt you'll ever find a bigger bunch of homophobes than in a prison.

The screws (warders to you civilians) were in the main a pretty nice bunch of men and women (yes there are quite a few female screws). You play ball with them and they play ball with you. In fact I was quite popular party because I was always cheerful and I also used to help many of the other prisoners write letters. Many prisoners are illiterate or in fact barely literate. One interesting aspect was the toral lack of emnity between black and white prisoners. I won't say they socialised that much (although I shared a cell with huge black guy who I am friends with today) but there was no racism. I remember one young black kid being dragged into the showers and being quite badly 'slapped' by several other blacks who felt his attitude was cuasing probems. I might add that the screws turned a blind eye. I got on well with the black guys as my cell mate was in with all of them, I also don't drink milk or take sugar so it didn't do me any harm to always have it to spare. Also, I don't smoke (neither did my cell mate) which helped us get along and also we were not slaves to the weed. I've seen guys smoke tea leaves when their fags raun out.

Their were two kinds of currency in their, phone cards and tobacco. You were only supposed to have a certain amount of both. You had a real mix and match of prisoners in there. Many had short sentences (as low as a weekend) right up to people doing ten years or more. Lifers were separate and had a different regiem to make their lives more bearable but mainly to stop them kicking off. The Rule 43 nonces were on a separate wing and were alleded to have had a better time (this may have been a rumour). They would taunt 'normal' prisoners if they could which was pretty stupid because if one came into contact with mainstream prisoners they would get at least a severe kicking. One treatment was having boiling water full if sugar thrown over them, the sugar ensured that the scalding heat did not just slide off.

I got on well with a couple of armed blaggers. These guys are carreer criminals and are considered the prison elite. They were very like Rinnie Barker in Porridge, prison was just an occupational hazard. I also got on well with a Yardie called Po po. He would talk with a broad West Indiam Patois but would speak in a perfectly normal accent to white guys. He was a very nice bloke and I was shocked to hear that when he got out he was to be extradited to Jamiaca where he faced several murder charges, you would never have known.

Another guy I met was an out and out God botherer, this guy clearly was demented. He would read his Bible out loud and proclaimed how God was our saviour and so on). He was having a trail at the time so would have to go off to court every day. He would take a sack full of briefs with him each time as he had apparently sacked two sets of counsel. I didn't find out what he'd done until I was out and saw his picture in the Evening Standard. He got 24 years. His crime ? Well he'd imprisoned his ex-girlfriend and repeatedly raped and totured her for several months until she managed to escape, starknaked. As an after thought he had several charges for underage sex as well. Actually this bloke caused a change in the law because he decided to represent himself he was allowed to cross examine his victims and cause them considerable distress in the process. That won't happen now. What was slightly surprising that he was with the mainstream prisoners and that the screws never said what he'd done as a whole lot of people found his religous rantings more than a little irritating. Had we known he was such a hypocrit he possibly wouldn't have by.

I think some people have a completely wrong idea about prison, it's not a holiday but unlike American prisons it's really not very dangerous either. I was in a modern prison but I know conditions in some of Britain's older nicks like Wandsworth and Walton in Liverpool are not so clever. Many of these establishments don't have flush toilets in the cells for a start. I was given to understand that the private prisons were a bit of a soft touch and I know that the screws were pretty contemptuous of them. Mind you for some reason most screws didn't like the Police either (it may because they felt they were inferior and in fact many had tried to get into the Police but were not good enough).

Mind you I also recently recently read the first book in Jeffrey Archer's trilogy about his time inside and as we were in the same nick all I can say that a whole lot of what he wrote was total fiction. No huge surprise though has he was inside for lying. One thing I do know though is that not all prison in habitants should be in there. There's no treatment for junkies and watching somebody go cold turkey is not funny. However there are also many who are in there who should never be allowed out. WHy waste time keeping people like Huntley alive especially when he probably has it easy than many prisoners because he can't be in with the majority for the sake of his health.

That is a fascinating and truthful insight.My very very short stays in cells, always remind me of how important your freedom is. That horrible feeling, when the cell door is shut, and you can,t just "pop out" for something is the worst part. As far as I,m concerned, you can have computers, TV,s, games, whatever you like.....but it won,t make up for the fact that you are imprisoned.

 

[Buzzer]

Glad you share my views. As far as I was concerned the screws were just people doing a job and I never had an issue with them. In fact I woud go so far to say that most would offer help when and if they could and they did like to share a joke too. I shoud also mention that there were some university educated Prison Officers as they wanted a senior carreer in the service and I can't honestly say I met any stupid screws, it's by no means a simple job and can be quite thankless at times.

Hi Frank. Read your post and thought it very well written and considered. Thankfully, I've never been in trouble with the police except last year when I was detained at Heathrow on suspicion of being a footie hooligan during the World Cup and was released without charge 2 hours later so have no personal knowledge of prison. Your post was very insightful - thanks.

 

[bhaexpress]

Hi Frank. Read your post and thought it very well written and considered. Thankfully, I've never been in trouble with the police except last year when I was detained at Heathrow on suspicion of being a footie hooligan during the World Cup and was released without charge 2 hours later so have no personal knowledge of prison. Your post was very insightful - thanks.

Personally I have no issue with the Police now, I tend to have a chat with them at away games and find they are invariably friendly and react well to me. I have had long chats about my experiences in the US with the Police there and like an awful lot of things in Britain the Police are not appreciated the way they should be here, I know some of my stories have shocked the British Police and they leave them shaking their heads in disbelief. I think our Police, like so many of our institutions, are in the vast majority something we can be proud of.

 

[Buzzer]

There's an old joke:

Heaven is where the police is British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French and its all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police is German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss and its all organized by the Italians.

 

[Yorkie]

This scenario was always going to arise.

I maintain what I said at the time he was found guilty, which is you put him in a single room for a month and in that room you put a knife, some cyanide, a chair and a rope.

You then leave it up to him and his conscience. If, after the month, he's still alive then keep him in prison for life.

Why should he have the choice of when he dies? His victims didn't. Hence, why I think he should be saved each time.

 

[bhaexpress]

Why should he have the choice of when he dies? His victims didn't. Hence, why I think he should be saved each time.

To be honest it would be oh so easy to hand the likes of Huntley a rope or a bottle of pills to put and end to it but in an almost perverse way he and his ilk suffer more by being kept alive. They mey be isolated from the (very vengeful) prison population but they also live with the most odious members of society which I doubt is much fun. The fact that they are dispised by every person they meet doesn't help and that's exactly how it should be. You can rehabilitate some people but with peodephiles it's nigh on impossible. To be honest there's even a case for separate prisons for these kind of offenders so that as the norm, they would be subject to the same restrictions as 'normal' prisoners.

 

[Buzzer]

To be honest it would be oh so easy to hand the likes of Huntley a rope or a bottle of pills to put and end to it but in an almost perverse way he and his ilk suffer more by being kept alive. They mey be isolated from the (very vengeful) prison population but they also live with the most odious members of society which I doubt is much fun. The fact that they are dispised by every person they meet doesn't help and that's exactly how it should be. You can rehabilitate some people but with peodephiles it's nigh on impossible. To be honest there's even a case for separate prisons for these kind of offenders so that as the norm, they would be subject to the same restrictions as 'normal' prisoners.

I think that paedophiles should have separate lives from us. After serving their sentence they are still a danger to society, so find a deserted Scottish Island and put them there. They have a sort of 'normality' - free to come and go on the island, with certain restrictions - letters, internet access etc.

 

[tedebear]

I'd like to ask the question as to why he is getting access to whatever drugs he has tried to use? Surely there is something amiss there?

 

[Buzzer]

I'd like to ask the question as to why he is getting access to whatever drugs he has tried to use? Surely there is something amiss there?

He has clinical depression. Hence the drugs. He's a sneaky fucker, hence the hoarding of the medicines.

 

[bhaexpress]

I think that paedophiles should have separate lives from us. After serving their sentence they are still a danger to society, so find a deserted Scottish Island and put them there. They have a sort of 'normality' - free to come and go on the island, with certain restrictions - letters, internet access etc.

Yes, like lepers of old these social lepers are incurable and should be kept away from the rest of us to stop them infecting us (many peodophiles allege that they themselves were molested).

 

[cjd]

Yes, like lepers of old these social lepers are incurable and should be kept away from the rest of us to stop them infecting us (many peodophiles allege that they themselves were molested).

Yes.....a very interesting point. If a child is sexually abused, we, the general public, have enormous sympathy for them. Yet, when they grow up, and commit the same offence, (often attributed to the fact they were themselves abused when young), we revile them.It is something that often confuses me when we see the Huntleys of this world.