How would you feel if Bush was assassinated?

[Cheeky Monkey]

I think all this Anti Bush stuff is rather pathetic and childish. we may not like him, but at the end of the day the Americans voted for him and it had got absolutely f*** all to do with us.

Umm, I'm sure the friends/relatives of the three Black Watch soldiers would concur with that.

 

[Kev the Ape]

i wouldnt be bothered, its not our country so who gives a shit about him.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Umm, I'm sure the friends/relatives of the three Black Watch soldiers would concur with that.

Forgive me...I thought it was Tony Blair who sent in the troops. I didn't realise it was George Bush.

It is our government who reacted to a request from the USA to cover American Troops in a part of Bhagdad which they were leaving. If Blair had any bollocks at all he would have said NO!!!

On the point of the three Black Watch soldiers who were killed, whilst it is awful the loss of life and we of course grieve with their families, they are soldiers after all. When they signed up, there was not a clause in the sign up papers that says " If you are in the middle of a war, you will not be shot at/ bombed/ maimed etc etc" This is a risk they took.

 

[caz99]

Forgive me...I thought it was Tony Blair who sent in the troops. I didn't realise it was George Bush.

It is our government who reacted to a request from the USA to cover American Troops in a part of Bhagdad which they were leaving. If Blair had any bollocks at all he would have said NO!!!

On the point of the three Black Watch soldiers who were killed, whilst it is awful the loss of life and we of course grieve with their families, they are soldiers after all. When they signed up, there was not a clause in the sign up papers that says " If you are in the middle of a war, you will not be shot at/ bombed/ maimed etc etc" This is a risk they took.

i dont think this would be an issue if they were in a war that was meaningful this was isnt which is why many families of soldiers lost in iraq are very angry. i am with the next person to say that they agree to put their life on the line but in this instance i dont agree.

blair said no cos yes he has no balls however this is america we are talking about a so called superpower with a monkey running it.

 

[caz99]

i wouldnt be bothered, its not our country so who gives a shit about him.

what a great comment obvious your still at school

 

[Dave the OAP]

i dont think this would be an issue if they were in a war that was meaningful this was isnt which is why many families of soldiers lost in iraq are very angry. i am with the next person to say that they agree to put their life on the line but in this instance i dont agree.




blair said no cos yes he has no balls however this is america we are talking about a so called superpower with a monkey running it.

Bush is no idiot. You dont get to be in his position ( arguably the most powerful person on the planet) by being an idiot. Also do not assume the American Public are idiots either. They have just given him another 4 years after all.

Following 9/11, America was under extreme pressure to "do something about it" Their intelligence identified Afghanistan as the place where Islamic Terrorism was based and they went in and in their eyes "sorted it out". Unfortunately you do not kill an ideal by killing a person, which is what the Isreali's have found out to their cost. Not having captured or killed Bin laden, America was again under pressure to be seen to be acting and chose Saddam Hussain as the next target. SH buggered the UN inspectors about for years and Bush used this and the 17 UN resolutions that SH had broken as a justification to invade. Be it right or wrong, we chose to follow his lead, as did the Spanish, and the Aussies.

Once Blair took us down the track of wholehearted compliance with American policy, then that was it.

My concern now is the undisputed fact that we are digging this hole deeper and deeper and if teh Americans decide to attack Falluja and kill more "insurgents" I see no way out of the whirlwing that will follow it.

 

[Trufflehound]

Unfortunately, getting rid of Bush would only bring the calculatingly evil Donald Rumsfeld one step closer to the throne. And that would be REALLY scary.

 

[caz99]

Bush is no idiot. You dont get to be in his position ( arguably the most powerful person on the planet) by being an idiot. Also do not assume the American Public are idiots either. They have just given him another 4 years after all.

Following 9/11, America was under extreme pressure to "do something about it" Their intelligence identified Afghanistan as the place where Islamic Terrorism was based and they went in and in their eyes "sorted it out". Unfortunately you do not kill an ideal by killing a person, which is what the Isreali's have found out to their cost. Not having captured or killed Bin laden, America was again under pressure to be seen to be acting and chose Saddam Hussain as the next target. SH buggered the UN inspectors about for years and Bush used this and the 17 UN resolutions that SH had broken as a justification to invade. Be it right or wrong, we chose to follow his lead, as did the Spanish, and the Aussies.

Once Blair took us down the track of wholehearted compliance with American policy, then that was it.

My concern now is the undisputed fact that we are digging this hole deeper and deeper and if teh Americans decide to attack Falluja and kill more "insurgents" I see no way out of the whirlwing that will follow it.

yes accept he didnt follow UN guidelines and administration its also everyones concern that Bush will attack and there will be no way out of the mess he has created. Bush had to be seen to act not america. in the aftermath of 9/11 i am sure that a lot of americans would have been more concerned with capturing the culprits and organiser for the atrocity of that rather than giving up and running after someone esle and use this as an excuse, if his father had done the job in the first place maybe we wouldnt
be in this situation now.

we all knew the wrongs of saddam but going in gung ho like he did was wrong.

 

[Dave the OAP]

"if his father had done the job in the first place maybe we wouldnt"

His father was not allowed to invade Iraq, if you remember as the rules of engagement at the time set by the UN was that Kuwait was to be liberated.

If Bush Snr had chosen to carry on to Bhagdad as he wanted, he would not have had the support of the Arab World like Saudi Arabia etc as well as the UN. Bush Snr actually believed in the UN...it is becoming more and more obvious that the UN is being discredited by certain governments ( in fact didn't the USA withhold funds from the UN?)

 

[fatbadger]

I think all this Anti Bush stuff is rather pathetic and childish. we may not like him, but at the end of the day the Americans voted for him and it had got absolutely f*** all to do with us.

Oh, I see - so it's wrong to comment on the results of an election, is it? It's wrong to worry about the implications for us of that result, is it? First you talk about the wonders of democracy, then you suggest that we should all shut up about it. An interesting inversion of values, if ever there was one.

 

[caz99]

"if his father had done the job in the first place maybe we wouldnt"

His father was not allowed to invade Iraq, if you remember as the rules of engagement at the time set by the UN was that Kuwait was to be liberated.

If Bush Snr had chosen to carry on to Bhagdad as he wanted, he would not have had the support of the Arab World like Saudi Arabia etc as well as the UN. Bush Snr actually believed in the UN...it is becoming more and more obvious that the UN is being discredited by certain governments ( in fact didn't the USA withhold funds from the UN?)

i think you should read the hard road to bhagdad by jon simpson very interesting book. bush snr didnt believe in the un

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Fatbadger - put your brain in gear mate. Bush has killed tens of thousands more than Binner Laden. Hmmm, even if we do accept your premise, its only because he has the capabilities to do so. You are deluding yourself. Bin Laden would kill 280 million people in the USA and 58 million people in the UK if he could, he would drop a nuclear warhead on London and New York without a thought if he could. HE WANTS TO KILL YOU, YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR FAMILY.

If you think Bush is more dangerous than Bin Laden you need to be sectioned. I have never heard anything so bloody ridiculous in my life.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Fatbadger - put your brain in gear mate. Bush has killed tens of thousands more than Binner Laden. Hmmm, even if we do accept your premise, its only because he has the capabilities to do so. You are deluding yourself. Bin Laden would kill 280 million people in the USA and 58 million people in the UK if he could, he would drop a nuclear warhead on London and New York without a thought if he could. HE WANTS TO KILL YOU, YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR FAMILY.

If you think Bush is more dangerous than Bin Laden you need to be sectioned. I have never heard anything so bloody ridiculous in my life.

A bit melodramatic, but I accept the overall premise. The thing that frightens me more than Bush is the way he has all these naiive mid/southern Americans buying into all this power of nightmares/homeland security stuff. If you have ever spent time in the US or even watched some of the BBC's interviews with Americans in the lead up to the election you would know that many of these middle-states Americans (arguably the majority) have no concept of a wider world and have blindly voted in Bush due to ignorance and hysteria with no real understanding of what they are actually voting for, and Bush has played that card to a tee!

 

[Dave the OAP]

Oh, I see - so it's wrong to comment on the results of an election, is it? It's wrong to worry about the implications for us of that result, is it? First you talk about the wonders of democracy, then you suggest that we should all shut up about it. An interesting inversion of values, if ever there was one.

Of course its not wrong to comment on the outcome of an election.

but the "comment" on the outcome of the election by the originator of this thread was somehow suggesting that Bush should be assassinated. Now at the end of the day I may not like him or what he stands for, but to somehow gloryfy in the suggestion that he should diew does a disservice to the millions of Americans who voted for him.

On question time last night one American posed the question " as so many americans voted for Bush and the British people are so against Bush, were they all wrong to vote for him" The inference being what the f*** is it to do with you anyway who the Americans vote for ....the British and their Imperial past are in no position to lecture anyone on democracy. An arguement I find very little flaw in

 

[Dave the OAP]

i think you should read the hard road to bhagdad by jon simpson very interesting book. bush snr didnt believe in the un

I have read it, and wether GB snr actually believed in it or not, he obeyed the wishes of the UN at the time.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

An arguement I find very little flaw in

Now that's democracy.

 

[caz99]

I have read it, and wether GB snr actually believed in it or not, he obeyed the wishes of the UN at the time.

um thats why the americans never apologised for the bombing of the al miriyah bomb shelter killing 300 innocent people who were trying to escape the bombing from the americans. even after the americans found out it was a bomb shelter they did not apologise they were convinced it was being used by saddam to transmit secret messages and peace together some sort of nuclear war. however there was no evidence of this, like there was no evidence of WMD. funny how things change... not