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How Euro 2004 changed football



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Interesting...

Has the face of football changed forever?
By Tom Fordyce, BBC Online

With the dust settling on Euro 2004, the lessons of the last three weeks are gradually becoming clearer.

But what exactly have we learned from the Portuguese party?


WEAK BECOME HEROES
An obvious point to make when the celebrations in Greece are still going on, but Euro 2004 underlined one of the lessons of the World Cup in 2002 - that the gap between the traditional football powers and the minnow has all but disappeared.

Then, it was Turkey and South Korea who reached the semi-final. At the time it appeared to be a fluke, but the results in Portugal suggest a permanent shift in the balance of power.

It has also been going on for longer that you might think.

Denmark's triumph at the 1992 European Championships is proof that the small nations have been on the rise for some time.

There was also the appearance of Bulgaria in the semi-finals of the 1994 World Cup, and Croatia finishing third at the 1998 World Cup.

Back then, the super-powers were still dominating the actual finals. The underdog had his day most often when a one-off generation of talented individuals came to their peak together.

Now, not only are there more and more former also-rans making the running, but the super-powers are stagnating.

Germany have not won a match at the Euro finals since 1996. France have not looked likely winners of anything for four years, while it has been a decade since Italy last flourished.

Greece's win was not the flowering of some golden generation. Yet they matched and then beat France and the Czech Republic and Portugal twice.

Fluke? It was nothing of the sort.


PRAGMATISM RULES OK
It is possible to draw a line straight from the South Korea of 2002 to today's Greece.

Both sides employed a foreign coach from the old footballing world to marshal and utilise a hard-working group of players who were all competent in the basic skills without being extravagantly talented.

Neither side succeeded by playing an innovative brand of football that was likely to be picked up by other coaches around the world.

This was no Wingless Wonders or Total Football - but who cares? It worked.

The Greek team of 2004 will never be talked about in the same manner as the Hungary's Magical Magyars in the '50s, Brazil 1970 or the Dutch of 1974 and 1978.

It doesn't matter. Their style was simple and unglamorous, but successful.


BRILLIANT OR BLAND?
Ready for a big theory?

Globalisation is not just blanding out your local high street, but also the face of football.

Just as the same stores and companies can be found on high streets from Southampton to Saitama to San Salvador, so the same style of football is played from Rio to Riga.

Gone are the days when countries played a recognisable brand of football depending on which region of the world they hailed from.

These days, players and coaches travel across the globe to work. Brazilians play in Europe, Dutchmen manage in Korea and Chinese play in north-west England.

Information - on players' strengths and weaknesses, skills and conditioning - flows around the world.

No longer are there many surprise packages by the time you get to the major tournaments. Coaches know how their opponents play because they can watch them on satellite or tape for months in advance.

Cross-pollenisation breeds out the kinks, the variations, the unusual.

The result? South Koreans play like Europeans. Greece play like Germany. Brazil have holding midfielders.

The modern football team is super-fit, can pass the ball around and plays the percentages.

Football is more dominant globally than it has ever been before.

But has it become more humdrum as a result?
 






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Re: Re: How Euro 2004 changed football

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This is a platitude that's been trotted out for at least the last fifteen years.:yawn:

So all your money was on Greece or Latvia from the start?
 




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Course not, but we've been hearing for yonks how the "power in world football" is shifting and that "there are no weak teams in football anymore". He said it himself about what happened in Japan last world cup, and I remember at that time it was described in the same way as how power has shifted forever, yak yak blah blah. I just hate lazy reporting, and this passage seems like a load of old cliques.
 




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The trouble in this country is the lack of poverty. Rather than having to carve out a career as a footballer. Young lads are being given other choices of careers path. Not to mention it is now harder than ever to get into football in this country due to the influx of forigners flooding the market.

I'm still not sure why it is possible for an Argintine to gain a work permit to play professional football in this country? I was under the impression that such work permits were only given out if there was no one else in this country already able and willing to do the job? How would this work for say a white van driver? Would a south american be able to legally apply for a work permit in this country to drive a van? Even if he is the best white van driver in the world?
 


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Shizuoka Dolphin said:
Course not, but we've been hearing for yonks how the "power in world football" is shifting and that "there are no weak teams in football anymore". He said it himself about what happened in Japan last world cup, and I remember at that time it was described in the same way as how power has shifted forever, yak yak blah blah. I just hate lazy reporting, and this passage seems like a load of old cliques.

I think you mean cliches.

What it might mean is the days of bookies offering 50/1 or 100/1 against any given side winning are numbered.
 


Lammy said:
The trouble in this country is the lack of poverty. Rather than having to carve out a career as a footballer. Young lads are being given other choices of careers path. Not to mention it is now harder than ever to get into football in this country due to the influx of forigners flooding the market.

I'm still not sure why it is possible for an Argintine to gain a work permit to play professional football in this country? I was under the impression that such work permits were only given out if there was no one else in this country already able and willing to do the job? How would this work for say a white van driver? Would a south american be able to legally apply for a work permit in this country to drive a van? Even if he is the best white van driver in the world?

Not sure what relevance that has got to this thread. I would hardly describe Denmark, Japan or Greece as Third World nations.

Disappointed in you, Wozza.
 




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But few people (including bookies) seem to accept the shift of power. South Korea and Turkey's World Cup success was still being described as a fluke just a few weeks ago.
 


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I think you mean cliches.

What it might mean is the days of bookies offering 50/1 or 100/1 against any given side winning are numbered.

That's it, if in doubt, pick up on spelling mistakes. :rolleyes:

Of course it doesn't mean the end of long odds. If Ladbrookes etc offered everyone in the tournament at 2/1 nobody would bother betting at all.

Obviously now and again you're going to get the odd surprise a la Greece, but in the whole the 'traditional' sides will still win most things so the bookies can afford the occasional sting. Remember, the bookie never loses.
 


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But few people (including bookies) seem to accept the shift of power. South Korea and Turkey's World Cup success was still being described as a fluke just a few weeks ago.


Their lost and ignorance.

I refer to the Latvia game v Germany, where Latvis ripped Germany apart and had two clear pans turned down.

What odds did latvia have before that game? But I bet the bookies still would have had only amended them slightly if the sides had played again the next day.

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Japan is a different case as Football is a new sport over there. Given time there is no reason why they will not be attracting a better class of footballer to apply his trade over there.

Denmark were a three man outfit. The Laudrup (sp?) brothers and Schmeichel. Greece is not a rich nation by any stretch of the imagination. What I'm getting at is the 'super powers' England, Germany, Italy, Holland and Spain all have long established leagues that are full of forigners. Especially England, Italy and Spain. This makes it much harder for potential talent to make a mark on the game. As there are now far more other work oportunities for them within the EU they are choosing other careers other than football.

Teams like Denmark and Sweden are improving as their best players are playing abroad and are used to playing a far higher standard of football week in week out that they would be exposed to in their own countries.

The point he makes about forign coaches is a fair one IMO as this is a relatively new phenomenon in international football. Knowledge of the game is being shared.
 


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Lammy said:
Japan is a different case as Football is a new sport over there. Given time there is no reason why they will not be attracting a better class of footballer to apply his trade over there.

Denmark were a three man outfit. The Laudrup (sp?) brothers and Schmeichel. Greece is not a rich nation by any stretch of the imagination. What I'm getting at is the 'super powers' England, Germany, Italy, Holland and Spain all have long established leagues that are full of forigners. Especially England, Italy and Spain. This makes it much harder for potential talent to make a mark on the game. As there are now far more other work oportunities for them within the EU they are choosing other careers other than football.

Teams like Denmark and Sweden are improving as their best players are playing abroad and are used to playing a far higher standard of football week in week out that they would be exposed to in their own countries.


The point he makes about forign coaches is a fair one IMO as this is a relatively new phenomenon in international football. Knowledge of the game is being shared.

Mind you having sadi that I still believe that England and France were by far the best two sides in that tournament and they both underachieved massively!
 


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I'm with Shizouka here - I remember the "shift in football world power" being discussed during Italia 90 (when Cameroon were doing well).
 




Wozza said:
But few people (including bookies) seem to accept the shift of power. South Korea and Turkey's World Cup success was still being described as a fluke just a few weeks ago.

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Their lost and ignorance.

I refer to the Latvia game v Germany, where Latvis ripped Germany apart and had two clear pans turned down.

What odds did latvia have before that game? But I bet the bookies still would have had only amended them slightly if the sides had played again the next day.

LC

I don't think it's a case of the bookies 'refusing to accept' anything. Like I said above if they suddenly start offering the same odds on all competitors then many people will stop betting because part of the fun will be taken away.

Carrying on as they are might mean a small dip in (already massive) profits for the bookmaking industry, but will be far less damaging than turning thousands of potential customers away from betting all together.
 


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I'm with Shizouka here - I remember the "shift in football world power" being discussed during Italia 90 (when Cameroon were doing well).

That was more about the rise of African nations as a whole.

Cameroon, Nigeria and Senagal all have the potential to one day win the world cup. Not sure Greece will though. Although Greece deserved there win I don believe this tournament was not so much about the smaller footballing nations doing well but more so the established nations massively underachieving. England, Germany, France, Holland, Italy etc. Italy and Germany may aswell not have turned up!
 


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Wozza said:
So all your money was on Greece or Latvia from the start?

Mine was. Just collected my winnings :clap2: :clap2:


I do think that the football world has been slow to wake up to the fact that some of the smaller teams have caught up. And some of the big teams are over-rated: Italy are still thought of as a big team but haven't won anything since '82. And Spain and (yes) England haven't won anything since the 60s.

This is reflected in the UEFA/FIFA seedings; they seem to reflect past glories rather than present reaility.

The other point is that it's not just teams from the smaller countries to watch out for. The USA and China are on a steep improvement path. It wouldn't shock me if one of them won the World Cup within the next 20 years.
 


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Lammy said:
Mind you having sadi that I still believe that England and France were by far the best two sides in that tournament and they both underachieved massively!

Czech Republic were the best side IMO.

It's laughable that they were tagged a "dark horse" before the tournament when they were quite clearly a favourite (and, yes, I backed them).
 




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i have to say i dont really understand how the bookies arrive at their odds. Italy were down at the start as one of the favorites, yet failed to make any sort of impact, just like at the last few tournaments. Similar story in the Champions league, the Italian teams always on short odds but havnt done anything for ten years now.

It might be a shrewd stategy to bet against the bookies favorites in football, as they're clearly not offering the correct odds to win ???
 
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Walter Winterbottom (the 1st Engkland manager) said in the 1950s that an African team would win the World Cup before the end of the century, and no, he wasn't excusing a defeat. He was wrong. The little nations DO occasionally win, Greece, Denmark in 1992, England in 1966, but invariably the big nations rise to the challenge. I'll be surprised if the 2006 World Cup went anywhere other than one of the Big Five: Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy or France.
 


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