How do you think Boris has handled it so far ?

[vegster]

If anyone thinks the Tory party, especially Moggeth and Bhonson, give a flying **** about the NHS, you are sorely mistaken. As soon as we get this under control they'll continue paying them shit wages and proceed with their dismantling of free healthcare for all.
This is just a minor inconvenience to the ********. These are the same scum that cheered when they successfully voted down a wage increase for nurses. They are encouraging us to clap and cheer and fall silent for the NHS while they have been draining the NHS for years. They wilfully ignored a 2016 report telling them to get more PPE to NHS workers urgently, as a pandemic was only a matter of time. They have blood on their hands.
The Tory's are lying, cheating, profiteering ********s and anyone that votes for the again after this is nearly as bad.

From The Guardian, Suzanne Moore " The brand that is Boris Johnson is back and “raring to go”, says Dominic Raab. Go where, one wonders.
We are to believe that he is fully recovered and able to make the life-and-death decisions of which his cabinet is apparently incapable. It is a sign of the strangeness of the times that I find myself agreeing with the health minister Nadine Dorries, who tweeted that most people who have been in intensive care with Covid-19 need months off, rather than weeks, work to regain their strength.
Of course, we are supposed to think of Johnson as an exception to the rules he has been breaking all his life. Now he gets to make the rules, while trying to be upbeat, but still insisting on this ridiculous language of war and conflict. This is war as a game, in which there are victors and heroes who get medals while flags are waved. Real war is needless slaughter and torture and starvation, but that would spoil the metaphor of triumph.

No one wins in a pandemic. The UK certainly isn’t winning now. We are set to have the highest death rate in Europe, so I am not quite sure what victory looks like – 50,000 or 100,000 dead? No amount of “Boris bounce” can dilute the blocks of loss on the graphs, or make us unsee the abandonment of the social care workers who look after those in “homes”, sleeping there overnight to avoid infecting their own families."

 

[The Clamp]

It doesn’t. It does the opposite.

Banning cars would save lives. Should we do that too?

Not that there's any evidence that lockdowns save lives. There is, however, evidence that they don’t. The aforementioned Professor Isaac Ben-Israel’s studies, for example.

He is a scientist. Specialising in mathematics and he also heads the Israeli Space Agency. Most Biologists have issues with his findings.
As it happens though, I personally don't think we needed to shut down the entire country. Social distancing would have been enough. As it is, we have a high death rate, so something isn't working.

 

[The Clamp]

From The Guardian, Suzanne Moore " The brand that is Boris Johnson is back and “raring to go”, says Dominic Raab. Go where, one wonders.
We are to believe that he is fully recovered and able to make the life-and-death decisions of which his cabinet is apparently incapable. It is a sign of the strangeness of the times that I find myself agreeing with the health minister Nadine Dorries, who tweeted that most people who have been in intensive care with Covid-19 need months off, rather than weeks, work to regain their strength.
Of course, we are supposed to think of Johnson as an exception to the rules he has been breaking all his life. Now he gets to make the rules, while trying to be upbeat, but still insisting on this ridiculous language of war and conflict. This is war as a game, in which there are victors and heroes who get medals while flags are waved. Real war is needless slaughter and torture and starvation, but that would spoil the metaphor of triumph.

No one wins in a pandemic. The UK certainly isn’t winning now. We are set to have the highest death rate in Europe, so I am not quite sure what victory looks like – 50,000 or 100,000 dead? No amount of “Boris bounce” can dilute the blocks of loss on the graphs, or make us unsee the abandonment of the social care workers who look after those in “homes”, sleeping there overnight to avoid infecting their own families."

Yep, on he shuffles with is affected gait, mimicking Churchill.

"big cheer for the uh, the uh, uhm, the uh....NURSES! Yes, it was in there somewhere. Wiff waff. We have uhm we are really getting behind the uhm front line workers and cough cough we are uhm , how about a minute's silence for the uhm the uhm the workers we failed to uhm, yes ,the heroes uhm, so a minute's uh silence. Does that sound like something you'd like to see? Yes, Great uhm we shall uhm go ahead and uh uh uh uh implement that almost uh immediately. Britain, let's get behind the uh yes, right yes, okay bye"

****.

 

[vegster]

Yep, on he shuffles with is affected gait, mimicking Churchill.

"big cheer for the uh, the uh, uhm, the uh....NURSES! Yes, it was in there somewhere. Wiff waff. We have uhm we are really getting behind the uhm front line workers and cough cough we are uhm , how about a minute's silence for the uhm the uhm the workers we failed to uhm, yes ,the heroes uhm, so a minute's uh silence. Does that sound like something you'd like to see? Yes, Great uhm we shall uhm go ahead and uh uh uh uh implement that almost uh immediately. Britain, let's get behind the uh yes, right yes, okay bye"

****.

And people were rejoicing on FB that he has returned to work ! It's quite incredible that so many can fall under the spell of a chancer who has usually ballsed up every opportunity that life has given him.

 

[nicko31]

If anyone thinks the Tory party, especially Moggeth and Bhonson, give a flying **** about the NHS, you are sorely mistaken. As soon as we get this under control they'll continue paying them shit wages and proceed with their dismantling of free healthcare for all.
This is just a minor inconvenience to the ********. These are the same scum that cheered when they successfully voted down a wage increase for nurses. They are encouraging us to clap and cheer and fall silent for the NHS while they have been draining the NHS for years. They wilfully ignored a 2016 report telling them to get more PPE to NHS workers urgently, as a pandemic was only a matter of time. They have blood on their hands.
The Tory's are lying, cheating, profiteering ********s and anyone that votes for the again after this is nearly as bad.

I really would like to think that now Johnson has had a near death experience and saved by the NHS aided by foreign nationals this will change everything.

But this is an individual that has lied thoroughout his personal, professional and political life to reach his objectives.He has no shame, no ethics and no moral compass.

I hope he is not a pound shop Trump and this leopard will change its spots. We are stuck with him for at least 4 years..

 

[Machiavelli]

The Prof is clearly a very learned man and is prominent in several areas, none of which are particularly relevant to this discussion. Interesting ? yes, authoritative ? - I personally wouldn't hang too much on his opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Ben_Israel

Very revealing. Thanks for posting

 

[Machiavelli]

The Swedish advisers are epidemiologists and immunologists.

Ben-Israel is a mathematician, physicist, and philosopher.

 

[beorhthelm]

No one wins in a pandemic. The UK certainly isn’t winning now. We are set to have the highest death rate in Europe, so I am not quite sure what victory looks like

quite right no one wins. originally a acceptable outcome was reducing the infection rate to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed. this seems to have been acheived. though we're yet to see the full impact of that on healthcare overall. somewhere along the line, it became about the raw numbers. probably because of daily briefings and websites displaying the score this became a bit of league table.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Austria are opening hotels next month

 

[RossyG]

If you’re crying now, wait till you see what our economy’s like after this.

As for Ben-Israel, as I said, his work was crunching numbers from various states and countries. He was analysing data.

How about the Swedish epidemiologists. Do you think they’ve got it wrong?

Prof Neil Ferguson and the Imperial College team predicted Sweden would be looking at over 80,000 deaths. Do you think that’s likely?

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

I really would like to think that now Johnson has had a near death experience and saved by the NHS aided by foreign nationals this will change everything.

But this is an individual that has lied thoroughout his personal, professional and political life to reach his objectives.He has no shame, no ethics and no moral compass.

I hope he is not a pound shop Trump and this leopard will change its spots. We are stuck with him for at least 4 years..

This and this is what I think will happen.

 

[The Clamp]

I think Bohnson should be demoted to mascot status. Just dress him up in a big bear costume with an NHS shirt on and get him to wave and bounce about for a couple of mins a day. Pay him £9 ph and try to keep him busy while the grown ups get on with getting the country opened up again.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

This and this is what I think will happen.

Wait till Trump comes calling with the T&Cs to a trade deal

I wouldn’t be shocked if the one of the conditions is opening up our border when they do.

 

[Albion Dan]

If going into a recession saves lives, then that's what will happen, it's inevitable anyway. Lives before money and the economy.

Great articulate response by the way....

Over 120k people died as a result of the measures that had to be implemented as a result of the last recession. The one that’s coming if the lockdown is extended is going to dwarf that. At what point do you make a decision on which problem is going to kill the most people?

Anyway looks like government are going with reducing the impact of recession and will take the hit on covid as things start to open up again in May.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Over 120k people died as a result of the measures that had to be implemented as a result of the last recession. .

Point of order. Austerity was a political choice. There was nothing inevitable about it.

 

[RossyG]

The government failed to buy crucial protective equipment to cope with a pandemic, a BBC investigation has found.

There were no gowns, visors, swabs or body bags in the government's pandemic stockpile when Covid-19 reached the UK.

The investigation by BBC Panorama found that vital items were left out of the stockpile when it was set up in 2009 and that the government subsequently ignored a warning from its own advisers to buy missing equipment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52440641

Seems every single interviewee on Panorama was a Labour activists.

https://order-order.com/2020/04/28/panoramas-ppe-investigation-party-political-broadcast/

Honestly! The BBC don't seem to do themselves any favours, do they? Why do stuff like this? At the very least, they must know they're going to get found out.

 

[A1X]

Seems every single interviewee on Panorama was a Labour activists.

https://order-order.com/2020/04/28/panoramas-ppe-investigation-party-political-broadcast/

Honestly! The BBC don't seem to do themselves any favours, do they? Why do stuff like this? At the very least, they must know they're going to get found out.

"Look, a squirrel!"

 

[RossyG]

"Look, a squirrel!"

It's true, though, isn't it? Every single one an activist. That wasn't a mistake.

 

[A1X]

It's true, though, isn't it? Every single one an activist. That wasn't a mistake.

So that changes the facts, does it?

 

[RossyG]

So that changes the facts, does it?

It makes me wonder whether they were facts. Activists like this like to lie.

Remember that nurse that was an activist and made that Twitter post saying her daughter was crying as her hospital had no PPE? That was a lie. They had PPE.

We know PPE is lacking all over Europe and the Tories (or should it be well-paid NHS procurement managers?) could well have done a lot more. But shows like this just muddy the water.

Every single one a Labour activist ? ? ? I mean, FFS, that's ridiculous. No wonder people don't trust the media.