How do you think Boris has handled it so far ?

[beorhthelm]

Interesting to see that the champion of Middle England, and a source of moral indignation on so many issues regarding the EU has decided to ignore this heinous cluster **** altogether on its front page.. Quelle surprise!

Daily Mail " 2,700 Cancers Missed Each Week"... Because people are not going to the doctors at the moment... Non story or what?

maybe quite an important story, not in itself, but indication the tabloids are moving on to what are the wider impact and consequence of the current policy. expect more on this theme and calls to end lock down soon.

 

[Machiavelli]

maybe quite an important story, not in itself, but indication the tabloids are moving on to what are the wider impact and consequence of the current policy. expect more on this theme and calls to end lock down soon.

Agreed, and it also illustrates how calculating and assigning figures is all the more complex. There will be a number of cancer deaths that rightly won't be recorded as CV19, but will in no small part be caused as a result of the monumental effort towards CV19 which has inevitably resulted in moving resources/care/attention away from other areas.

 

[vegster]

maybe quite an important story, not in itself, but indication the tabloids are moving on to what are the wider impact and consequence of the current policy. expect more on this theme and calls to end lock down soon.

We all know that because of Covid-19 everything else is cancelled, delayed, suspended or abandoned. You can't even get Dentistry except in exceptional circumstances, hence it's a rather odd non-story to lead with ? Then consider that there seems to have been a UK policy of avoiding any interaction in a Pan-European medical procurement scheme ?

Perchance if we had joined this scheme we may have not been competing against foreign buyers of bulk PPE and equipment and may have had the equipment already in place to ease the lockdown sooner.

 

[beorhthelm]

We all know that because of Covid-19 everything else is cancelled, delayed, suspended or abandoned. You can't even get Dentistry except in exceptional circumstances, hence it's a rather odd non-story to lead with ? Then consider that there seems to have been a UK policy of avoiding any interaction in a Pan-European medical procurement scheme ?

Perchance if we had joined this scheme we may have not been competing against foreign buyers of bulk PPE and equipment and may have had the equipment already in place to ease the lockdown sooner.

aside from the poor decision to ignore the EU procurement, no it would not have changed anything as we'd still be competing for the same production resources. its not delivered anything and some in Europe have questioned if it served any tangible purpose (countries signed contracts directly, some times with existing suppliers).

 

[Baker lite]

Total number of EU collaboratively produced ventilators as of April 21: 0
Total number of UK collaboratively produced ventilators as of April 21: 500

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Total number of EU collaboratively produced ventilators as of April 21: 0
Total number of UK collaboratively produced ventilators as of April 21: 500

If our government could be honest with us it would help. Tell us they made a decision not to join because they do not believe the EU scheme will generate anything we can use - if that was the case. Saying we did not join because we missed the email ........... makes us look pathetic.

 

[Titanic]

Now, here's a source I think seems more trustworthy:

Staying out of EU ventilator scheme was 'political decision', not email error, says Foreign Office chief
Patrick Wintour

Patrick Wintour

UK ministers took a political decision not to be involved in an EU ventilator scheme, Sir Simon McDonald, the Foreign Office permanent under-secretary said today, so challenging previous claims that the UK did not take part due to missed emails.

McDonald was asked by a Labour MP, Chris Bryant, at the foreign affairs select committee whether the ventilator scheme was put to ministers. He said:

It was a political decision. The UK mission (UKREP) briefed ministers about what was available, what was on offer and the decision is known.

His remarks appear to blow a hole in the case originally made most prominently by the Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove.

McDonald also said the prime minister will consider in the next few weeks whether to go for an extension of the deadline for EU withdrawal date beyond December. He said he was stressing the theoretical possibilities, and added he believed the prime minister will confirm the existing timetable.

 

[Swansman]

Edit: Wrong thread

 

[A1X]

[TWEET]1252901009627721729[/TWEET]

Interesting deconstruction of the letter.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I do sincerely hope they haven’t been making decisions based on politics. This needs proper clarification.

 

[Baker lite]

If our government could be honest with us it would help. Tell us they made a decision not to join because they do not believe the EU scheme will generate anything we can use - if that was the case. Saying we did not join because we missed the email ........... makes us look pathetic.

How many items of PPE have the EU distributed to those that have signed up to this marvellous scheme?...

 

[Machiavelli]

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You can believe that tosh if you want, but I won't. There's been an increasing discussion of the importance of candour of late. Unfortunately it's lacking in certain quarters.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

How many items of PPE have the EU distributed to those that have signed up to this marvellous scheme?...

As you appreciate that is not the point I was making. If we didn't sign up because we had no faith in the scheme then they should have said - it that makes more sense than talking about missing emails. It reassures us that they know what they are doing.

 

[sparkie]

Total number of EU collaboratively produced ventilators as of April 21: 0
Total number of UK collaboratively produced ventilators as of April 21: 500

Why have Ireland shut down ventilator production ?

 

[CHAPPERS]

How many items of PPE have the EU distributed to those that have signed up to this marvellous scheme?...

This is so disingenuous it hurts. Surely any such scheme should be signed up to, no matter what.

Bit annoyed I’ve replied to that

 

[Titanic]

You can believe that tosh if you want, but I won't. There's been an increasing discussion of the importance of candour of late. Unfortunately it's lacking in certain quarters.

Are you suggesting Sir Simon Gerard McDonald KCMG KCVO , Permanent Under-Secretary at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and Head of the Diplomatic Service is not to be believed?

 

[Weststander]

Yes I’m not sure how that isn’t being flagged up more-so in the Twitter thread. However, I would say it at least appears that the guy has done some fairly thorough research beyond that one account. And as I said before, whether it has links to the government or not (again, surely not), he might find that someone has been up to something shady.

https://fullfact.org/online/evidence-network-fake-nhs-tweets/

John O’Connell had no evidence for his wild claims, he made it up, as he did on another matter in 2019 where a false quote was added to a document. The BBC’s own social media team also dug deep to get behind these latest tweets, and reported this morning on TV that they neither found or could see any evidence to back McDonnell’s accusations,

 

[Baker lite]

This is so disingenuous it hurts. Surely any such scheme should be signed up to, no matter what.

Bit annoyed I’ve replied to that

The answer is **** all..

 

[nicko31]

You can believe that tosh if you want, but I won't. There's been an increasing discussion of the importance of candour of late. Unfortunately it's lacking in certain quarters.

Another bullied civil servant. Amazed the government are still trying to defend a lie already exposed by Matt Hancock weeks ago, beyond belief...

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

The answer is **** all..

The answer is **** all inside your skull.