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Holocaust Denial, a crime ?



Leekbrookgull

Well-known member
Jul 14, 2005
16,488
Leek
It is beyond reasonalbe doubt,that there was a 'holocaust'. 99% of us now it took place however i find it disturbing to make it a crime to try to deny the events took place. :shrug:
 










Guy Fawkes

The voice of treason
Sep 29, 2007
8,393
It is a crime in Germany

I think it's wrong to make it a crime here (or for it to be a crime in Germany for that matter) because the holocaust was the persecution of a group of people for their belief, and yet the result of this legislation would be to persecute those whose belief it is that it didn't happen.
 






itszamora

Go Jazz Go
Sep 21, 2003
7,282
London
David Irving spent some time inside in Austria for denying the Holocaust. Much as I find his and other Holocaust deniers' views abhorrent, I'm inclined to agree that it should not be a crime to hold whatever beliefs you wish.
 






coventrygull

the right one
Jun 3, 2004
6,752
Bridlington Yorkshire
Yes, I've read Irving. It's a pile of quite frighteningly deluded bullshit.

I have not read Irving but I have read a lot of other stuff. The thing about Holocaust denial is its political implications. Its no accident that a holocaust denial conference was held in Iran
 


Brighton Breezy

New member
Jul 5, 2003
19,439
Sussex
Its dangerous ground.

On the one hand, you are setting a precident for jailing people for their beliefs.

On the other, these people know FAIR WELL it took place and are using these theories to further certain political agendas.

Therefore JAIL them.
 


itszamora

Go Jazz Go
Sep 21, 2003
7,282
London
I have not read Irving but I have read a lot of other stuff. The thing about Holocaust denial is its political implications. Its no accident that a holocaust denial conference was held in Iran

Well quite, it's just one more tool in the box for certain people to attack Jewry, Israel, Zionism or whatever they want to call it. I'm torn between laughing at their sheer ignorance because of the overwhelming evidence saying it did happen, or really being quite scared that they can still be so seemingly adamant that it didn't happen despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Take this man for example. He's just been allowed back into the Catholic Church, and I'm not sure whether to laugh at him or be truly frightened by him.
 






coventrygull

the right one
Jun 3, 2004
6,752
Bridlington Yorkshire
Well quite, it's just one more tool in the box for certain people to attack Jewry, Israel, Zionism or whatever they want to call it. I'm torn between laughing at their sheer ignorance because of the overwhelming evidence saying it did happen, or really being quite scared that they can still be so seemingly adamant that it didn't happen despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Take this man for example. He's just been allowed back into the Catholic Church, and I'm not sure whether to laugh at him or be truly frightened by him.

Its a difficult one. They would say that the evidence has been manipulated by Zionist or whatever. Thats where the danger lies. The blurring of truth
 












e77

Well-known member
May 23, 2004
7,296
Worthing
I am never entirely comfortable with any views being made illegal, except perhaps 'Crystal Palace are a great football club'.
 




brightonbluenose

New member
May 6, 2006
174
Wasn't Dachau alledged to be an 'extermination camp' until the mid-Sixties
when it was then decreed that all such camps were actually in Poland??!!

???
 




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