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Heysel Stadium disaster
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Pretty pink fairy
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if you look at the actual footage how many scousers get through the OB lines ? IT'S OBVIOUS PANIC SET IN ,TRAGIC BUT TRUE, how many italians stood their ground
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DR
Skaville
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Hmm. So you want me to disregard what I saw with my own eyes?
W.C.
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Kind of funny coming from someone who seems to willfully ignore the mountains of evidence showing that Liverpool fans were not to blame at Hillsborough.
nicko31
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Indeed, ask a lot of younger fans about Heysel and many will be unaware.
Good articles in the Torygraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Juventus-minimal-reaction-prolongs-hurt.html
nicko31
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Skaville
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Very good
Gregory2Smith1
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indeed,how many of us remember the Ibrox disaster in 1971?
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Very good.
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That was 10 years ago. Perhaps he regrets saying it.
Yesterday Neal spent the day at a service at Anfield laying a wreath for victims.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ex-liverpool-captain-phil-neal-insists-5785086
This piece in GQ is also highly recommended.
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2015-05/29/heysel-stadium-disaster-30-anniversary
Very good.
Brighton Mod
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A very good article, read some of the replies, there is still denial! The late seventies was as bad, I went to Ninian park to watch Brighton and ran the gauntlet from the station to the ground, a fearful experience, but would I link that in any way to a justification of killings, no. I remember that final, getting home and looking forward to watching a live European Cup final on the television and my horror watching the scenes unfold. The end result had no meaning for me and the final should have been cancelled, pretty poor, and even though there is much discussion over who is responsible, it should still be remembered, conveniently shut out of the mass media lest it offends any particular section of the population.
Brighton Mod
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Stood their ground? was it a battle, were they warriors or did they go to watch a football match? Come and have a chat to me about conflict, your words are out of place and context
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Pretty pink fairy
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You've taken it out of context , I never said anything of the kind , as i said panic set in
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DR
Paul Reids Sock
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Not sure if at 27 I am a younger fan? However I was completely ignorant of the events until reading some of the articles on here. It's seems utterly shocking that that could have happened at a match and yet people be so dismissive of its memory. You can see though why many people would have found it easy to believe Liverpool were to blame for hillsborough
Beach Hut
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I watched that game in Magaluf in a pub with mainly Scots and there was a very hostile atmosphere outside.
The Spanish transmission of the game started by showing a pitch battle outside the stadium between Liverpool and Juventus fans with very few police in attendance. I recently heard the Barry Davies commentary and sadly it summed up the inevitable result of what were football fans out of control and inept policing causing an appalling result.
The Spanish transmission of the game started by showing a pitch battle outside the stadium between Liverpool and Juventus fans with very few police in attendance. I recently heard the Barry Davies commentary and sadly it summed up the inevitable result of what were football fans out of control and inept policing causing an appalling result.
Mo Gosfield
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Correct....not one single ounce of blame can be laid at the door of Liverpool fans. Utterly and completely blameless. No ticketless fans, not one single one above and beyond the designated number. The police were totally to blame for 95 deaths.
No blame at Heysel, either. The ground and authorities were totally to blame for 39 deaths. So there we are. No case to answer. End of story.
134 dead but nothing to do with us guv'nor.
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um, well I was making a different point. Anyway, clearly Liverpool fans were at fault at Heysel. But that shouldn't let the authorities off the hook either. At Hillsborough it was a different story, the fans were not to blame. Mountains of evidence has come out to show that. And that was my point in quoting the poster.
Mo Gosfield
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The one thing that the mountains of evidence will never be able to show, is how many ticketless Liverpool fans were there outside the Leppings Lane End, before kick-off. For years, they had a reputation of turning up late, en masse, without tickets and using whatever methods were necessary, to gain entry to grounds.
At Hillsborough that day, the police should have anticipated this problem but they panicked and made the wrong call and it ultimately proved to be fatal. They could see a massive problem growing outside and should have dealt with it. They didn't have enough manpower in the right place. They didn't want the problem spreading on the streets so they tried to contain it inside the ground. The fans outside, worried they were not going to get in, started to put pressure on the gates and turnstiles. They were hoping for something to give and eventually it did. Too many poured into one section, which couldn't cope with the numbers and the surging that followed ( those at the back pushing to get in ) forced fans against barriers and fencing. There was no way out.
The police were culpable, not just in the decisions they took but in disregarding all known history re Liverpool fans. i.e many would turn up late, ticketless and inebriated and try and get in the ground. They tried to deal with a situation that was already out of control, rather than containment at source.