Hemed and Murray

[GT49er]

I just think that Ashley Barnes was ridiculously hounded out of the club by the post-Withdean ignorati. Boy was brave, aggressive and always knew exactly where the goal was. Sort of like the anti-Baldock, really. Have no doubt whatsoever that Ashley Barnes would be as successful back at the club as Glenn Murray is already proving to be.

I don't deny he's a decent player - did a good job for us, particularly in helping out defensively on the left hand side! Not his fault - it was a job we sorely needed doing! I don't feel he is exactly what we need right now - more of a rival in a similar vein to Murray and Hemed, whereas what we really need, IMHO, is a number 10 (or a better Baldock, if you like).

 

[severnside gull]

I don't deny he's a decent player - did a good job for us, particularly in helping out defensively on the left hand side! Not his fault - it was a job we sorely needed doing! I don't feel he is exactly what we need right now - more of a rival in a similar vein to Murray and Hemed, whereas what we really need, IMHO, is a number 10 (or a better Baldock, if you like).

Remembering of course that, latterly in particular, Barnes was played almost exclusively out wide rather than through the middle.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I don't deny he's a decent player - did a good job for us, particularly in helping out defensively on the left hand side! Not his fault - it was a job we sorely needed doing! I don't feel he is exactly what we need right now - more of a rival in a similar vein to Murray and Hemed, whereas what we really need, IMHO, is a number 10 (or a better Baldock, if you like).

Don't deny we need a proper full-on partner for Murray. But most of all we need to nip this season's dumb cliche about 'needing a number 10' in the bud right now. Nobody on here ever 'needed a number 10' up til about a month ago, same as nobody anywhere ever going for lunch expected to see a 'pulled pork' anything on the menu before about eighteen months ago.

 

[Stat Brother]

Barnes is hardly Mr Prolific for that matter neither has Murray in the Premier League:-

Barnes 5 goals from 35 appearances.
Murray 11 from 52.


Both have had a 'purple patch' season, 2 in Murray's case.

I'd imagine both would enjoy Albion life under CH, it's hard to think of any footballer that wouldn't.
AB certainly wouldn't find himself in the truly bizarre non-attacking, 'holding' left winger bullshit position Poyet forced on him.

But nevertheless I'd like to think there's considerably better out there capable of playing the role of 'nippy quick space creator'.

 

[GT49er]

Don't deny we need a proper full-on partner for Murray. But most of all we need to nip this season's cliche about 'needing a number 10' in the bud right now. Nobody on here ever 'needed a number 10' up til about a month ago, same as nobody anywhere ever going for lunch expected to see a 'pulled pork' anything on the menu before about eighteen months ago.

I think the idea of a 'number 10' goes back a bit further than a month! Agree with you about the pulled pork though.

 

[Stat Brother]

I don't deny he's a decent player - did a good job for us, particularly in helping out defensively on the left hand side! Not his fault - it was a job we sorely needed doing! I don't feel he is exactly what we need right now - more of a rival in a similar vein to Murray and Hemed, whereas what we really need, IMHO, is a number 10 (or a better Baldock, if you like).

I guess I could have waited a minute and just written:-

THIS.

 

[chaileyjem]

Don't deny we need a proper full-on partner for Murray. But most of all we need to nip this season's dumb cliche about 'needing a number 10' in the bud right now. Nobody on here ever 'needed a number 10' up til about a month ago.

Hughton played Baldock and then Wilson as a #10 all last season.

 

[ewe2]

Its good that Hemed,now has competition for his place. IMO it was noticeable that when SB came on ,we looked more dangerous. Competition now is needed for Baldock.......

 

[GT49er]

Hughton played Baldock and then Wilson as a #10 all last season.

Back to the 70s/early 80s really - a big man up front playing with a smaller, quicker and (usually more skilful) one alongside.

Toshack and Keegan
McDougall and Boyer
Spider and Wardy
Murray/Hemed and ...............?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Hughton played Baldock and then Wilson as a #10 all last season.

Maybe, I was bemoaning the fact that we now have a totally brand new earlydoors contender for Cliche Of The Season as in 'we need to sign a Number 10'. Nobody to my knowledge ever said that before this past month. Same as nobody ever said 'we need a Signing Of Intent' / 'Marquee Signing' ever apart from that Summer we signed CMS. Just almost-semi-interested in the origin of such meaningless guff, that suddenly everybody's spouting out of a clear blue sky

 

[Shooting Star]

I'd personally like to see Baldock and Hemed start, Murray come on after 60+ minutes.

 

[chaileyjem]

Just almost-semi-interested in the origin of such meaningless guff, that suddenly everybody's spouting out of a clear blue sky

Perhaps it comes from this...

"We’d still like to bring in two players. Our thinking was to play Alex Pritchard as a No.10 off the front, so that is still a position we’re looking at and, of course, centre-half as well."
http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/14663664.Hughton_targets_two_more_signings/

and how he describes how he uses Baldock
“Generally, if you are going to play [4-4-2], you need one of them to be a little bit more of a link player. That is what Sam has given us. He is able to stretch teams to create that little bit of space between midfield and a back line.
“He also does that valuable link play, dropping back when the opposition have the ball.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/14427880.Hughton_spells_out_why_Baldock_s_return_is_such_a_boost/

 

[GT49er]

Maybe, I was bemoaning the fact that we now have a totally brand new earlydoors contender for Cliche Of The Season as in 'we need to sign a Number 10'. Nobody to my knowledge ever said that before this past month. Same as nobody ever said 'we need a Signing Of Intent' / 'Marquee Signing' ever apart from that Summer we signed CMS. Just almost-semi-interested in the origin of such meaningless guff, that suddenly everybody's spouting out of a clear blue sky

Didn't the idea of a number 10 come around the time people starting asking wtf (that's where, not what, btw) should we play Rooney?

 

[Stat Brother]

I'd personally like to see Baldock and Hemed start, Murray come on after 60+ minutes.

I'd have liked a marquee, statement of intent, number 10 signing before the season started.
They would have had time to work together, bond as a unit, and found their pecking order, within a fluid system of player management.

 

[el punal]

Don't deny we need a proper full-on partner for Murray. But most of all we need to nip this season's dumb cliche about 'needing a number 10' in the bud right now. Nobody on here ever 'needed a number 10' up til about a month ago, same as nobody anywhere ever going for lunch expected to see a 'pulled pork' anything on the menu before about eighteen months ago.

A pulled pork as far as I am concerned is a very happy pig.

 

[rogersix]

Maybe, I was bemoaning the fact that we now have a totally brand new earlydoors contender for Cliche Of The Season as in 'we need to sign a Number 10'. Nobody to my knowledge ever said that before this past month. Same as nobody ever said 'we need a Signing Of Intent' / 'Marquee Signing' ever apart from that Summer we signed CMS. Just almost-semi-interested in the origin of such meaningless guff, that suddenly everybody's spouting out of a clear blue sky

so people can only use phrases you use ; guff such as early doors

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Perhaps it comes from this...

"We’d still like to bring in two players. Our thinking was to play Alex Pritchard as a No.10 off the front, so that is still a position we’re looking at and, of course, centre-half as well."
http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/14663664.Hughton_targets_two_more_signings/

and how he describes how he uses Baldock
“Generally, if you are going to play [4-4-2], you need one of them to be a little bit more of a link player. That is what Sam has given us. He is able to stretch teams to create that little bit of space between midfield and a back line.
“He also does that valuable link play, dropping back when the opposition have the ball.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/14427880.Hughton_spells_out_why_Baldock_s_return_is_such_a_boost/

Ah, right, cheers, that does seem to go a fair way towards the origins of that most meaningless of this season's cliches

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

so people can only use phrases you use ; guff such as early doors

You'll be disappointed with that effort. Whoooosh!

 

[rogersix]

You'll be disappointed with that effort. Whoooosh!

i'll whoosh your whoosh

 

[BensGrandad]

In the short time playing together v Forest I saw signs that Baldock and Murray will combine well with each other.