heads of both environment and HMRC both resign smameron losing grip

[beorhthelm]

Not at all. Voting numbers are abstract was the point I was making, as abstract as making a membership claim as a proportion of voters.

depends what the point is, if its that the membership of a party doesnt necessarily mean much at the general election, when many keep on about that membership, its not so abstract.

another item apparently overlooked is that Labour is losing alot of members, apparently as much as 1 for every 3 new. on the one hand that means even more new members signing up (to arrive at the increased total), on the other hand it indicates a shift in the membership make up. is the shift going to move the needle from 20% of the electorate voting Labour to ~17-18% (Foot era) or 23% (last Blair result)? and interesting stat, Miliband polled only around 200k less than Blair in 2005, while Cameron polled 3m more than Howard.

 

[cunning fergus]

Not at all. Voting numbers are abstract was the point I was making, as abstract as making a membership claim as a proportion of voters.

Surely the voting numbers and other factual data being discussed here are the opposite of abstract...........they are irrefutable facts that exist.

Corbyn's election to leader of Labour is not abstract, he polled 57% of the vote from the electorate that is why he won. Nothing abstract about that.

What am I missing?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Surely the voting numbers and other factual data being discussed here are the opposite of abstract...........they are irrefutable facts that exist.

Corbyn's election to leader of Labour is not abstract, he polled 57% of the vote from the electorate that is why he won. Nothing abstract about that.

What am I missing?

They can be abstract in what they represent. Our democracy is based on constituency seats, so a percentage of votes is actually an abstract statistic to the outcome of an election. Corbyn polled 57% of an electorate that is 0.3% of the total number of registered general election voters. That is fact, but without context it is completely abstract as a concept. You'd have to surround it in context to draw any meaning from it.

 

[Hastings gull]

really you should ask someone at the grass roots, and some of the new members

You may well find that someone at the grass roots, inevitably with a greater sense of reality, and crucially possessing more experience of every day life, may not be in agreement with new members, who have left their ivory towers,attracted by the theory of radical socialism, which has to be applied to everybody else. See Mrs Abbott for details.

 

[glasfryn]

You may well find that someone at the grass roots, inevitably with a greater sense of reality, and crucially possessing more experience of every day life, may not be in agreement with new members, who have left their ivory towers,attracted by the theory of radical socialism, which has to be applied to everybody else. See Mrs Abbott for details.

as I said before more people have joined the Labour party since Corbyn was made leader then the whole tory have altogether.
labour party membership 360k+

 

[GT49er]

Do any of them have experience running an Environment Agency or a Tax collection department? There are jobs going!!

Yes, but only for incompetent people with mates in the government, and preferably a record of previous failure.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

as I said before more people have joined the Labour party since Corbyn was made leader then the whole tory have altogether.
labour party membership 360k+

That may well be the case,however if that party then choose a leader that the majority of non-party members of any party do not like and will not vote for,your 360K membership is pointless,surely ?

 

[The Albion Roar]

They can be abstract in what they represent. Our democracy is based on constituency seats, so a percentage of votes is actually an abstract statistic to the outcome of an election. Corbyn polled 57% of an electorate that is 0.3% of the total number of registered general election voters. That is fact, but without context it is completely abstract as a concept. You'd have to surround it in context to draw any meaning from it.

Quite. The highest number of votes ever cast for a party in a general election was for the Tories in 1992. They won by 20 seats.

The party John Major led polled more votes than the party led by Margaret Thatcher ever did - and she won two landslide victories. Ditto Tony Blair.

 

[glasfryn]

That may well be the case,however if that party then choose a leader that the majority of non-party members of any party do not like and will not vote for,your 360K membership is pointless,surely ?

we will wait and see
Cameron's punch and judy politics
Corbyn's politics about actual people eg:- Cobyn talking in PMQ's about real people being flooded out in York and that bunch of hyena's on the opposite benches laughing like drains .....something people, real people do not forget

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

as I said before more people have joined the Labour party since Corbyn was made leader then the whole tory have altogether.
labour party membership 360k+

You keep banging on about party membership numbers, but what does it really mean? If you're not a member of the official B&HAFC supporters club, does that mean you're not a true supporter? By the way, I have no political agenda as I think they're all ****s!

 

[glasfryn]

You keep banging on about party membership numbers, but what does it really mean? If you're not a member of the official B&HAFC supporters club, does that mean you're not a true supporter? By the way, I have no political agenda as I think they're all ****s!

the fact that more people have joined since Corbyn than are actually in the tory party must indicate something surely.
that aside you could be right they are mostly all ****'s