Has Terry Butcher burrowed up his own arse?

[graz126]

none of them are valid reasons for sacking sven, that is true. but playing defensive once scoring against portugal and france. when none of the midfield players were defence minded is.

the fa pay the players wages. without the fans they would not be able to do this. so in effect we pay the players wages, more so when they play for england than we do when they play for clubs.

i also do not agree with any publically verbal attacks on players. but he needed dropping and that happened. maybe he should take the sun to court over libel. obviuosly he is better than a donkey or whatever they said.
but i still think beckham should have spoke on the players behalves. he should not be dropped from team just his captaincy.

 

[The Large One]

Butcher said before the Poland game that Beckham owes England a decent match, and that his previous good match for England was against Greece in 2001.

Agree with the first sentiment, but the second part shows how his mindset has crossed that fairly rugged road from player to commentator / journalist. Beckham was average in that game - his hero status came from scoring the free-kick in the last minute. That was about his tenth free-kick from just outside the box, most of which ended up in the wall or Row Z. Greece were trying their damndest to let us score. In other words, Butcher only saw the headlines and reckoned that Beckham had a good game. Pisspoor comments, Terry.

As for the players not talking to the press, I personally support them on that front. They are not obliged nor contracted to talk to them.

The report in the Argus was written by a hack who had his work syndicated from whoever he works for. He accused the players of childish behaviour in silliness. Look at what the Sun did, then see who looks childish.

If I was one of those players, I would be reluctant to sit down in a room with a bunch of slavering imbeciles pretty certain in the knowledge that at least one or two of these wankers was going to ask me a f***ing silly question.

Point in case, after the game, there's no-one to quote, so Terry Butcher, believing himself to be on the same high moral plateau that football hacks wrongly place themselves, duly obliges with such a f***ing moronic quote. It's no surprise that the players don't want to talk to the press.

No amount of money or status should make anyone sit down and have to listen to drivel from a bunch of people who have an agenda to write whatever shite comes into their heads, irrespective of the consequences.

 

[Icy Gull]

Beckham was average in that game - his hero status came from scoring the free-kick in the last minute.

I may be wrong but I think Beckham was the best player on the pitch by some margin in that game, or is my memory shot.

I am no Beckham fan but when he ran around virtually carrying the rest of the team a few seasons ago, he was class. He is now absolute shite and I suggest he would struggle to get into some championship sides on current form.

 

[El Presidente]

I was at the Greece game where England were very mediocre indeed, but Beckham (and I loathe MUFC) did work his trolleys off that day, and credit should be given to him. Since then his performances have been up and down, but in the Euro Qualifiers he was no worse than many others (Scholes, Gerrard, Owen) who were also playing whenever available.

 

[The Large One]

Actually, I think he far from shite. He happened to be an excellent player in a mediocre team four or five years ago. Now we have the quality in midfield to support him, I just think that people expect more from him than he can currently deliver.

He never was a winger. He never was a great goalscorer. He was - is - a great TEAM player, there for team - not the personal glory.

Having said that, I have no problem with him being dropped/rested provided anyone can come up with a player with the same work rate and skilful qualities as Beckham. And by that I mean passing, shooting (he had three or four decent efforts on target last night), tracking back, leading. Not many - if any - spring to mind.

Polish fans were booing him when he was on the ball. No other player got that treatment. Why? Because of his 'international celebrity superstar' status. Once he gets that shit and nonsense out of his head, he can get on with playing football properly.

 

[graz126]

england were shite against greece but beckham was immense. he dragged us through that game and deserved to be a hero at the end of it. since then he has not performed as well.

 

[FG aka FOOTBALL GENIUS]

Terry Butcher remains one of the all time great England players alongside the best EVER like Stuart Pearce and Teddy Sherringham

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

 

[FG aka FOOTBALL GENIUS]

Butter, Pearce and Sherringhams efforts on the pitch have only been matched by John Terry and Frank Lampard these 5 are among an elite group of all time great England players that wear the England shirts with glory pride passion and fully deserve the support of all Engishmen (and women)

 

[BUTTERBALL]

Butter? Do you mean Butters or Butcher (or both)!!

 

[BUTTERBALL]

of course, Butcher bled BLOOD for England, a warrior, a warhorse, a colussus.....

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

new players give a toss, players like beckham dont and that rubs off on the new players

 

[king Wombat]

butcher had the pace of a 1 legged tortoise, think its a bit of rose coloured specatacles to talk about him as one of englands best ever players.

he's talking out his arse.

thought the criticism was utterly over the top. yes james is shite but its not his fault he gets picked is it.

as to the players not trying, don't believe that either, it is still an honour to play for england and i don't believe they don't care about it.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

The fact that Terry Butcher believes Beckham should be dropped is surely enough proof that he should remain in the side. He was and always has been a shit manager. Beckham is a class act, and even when he's not playing well he still works his arse off for the team.

Because we didn't win the Euros, the media have decided to try & get rid of Sven (and sell some papers at the same time). If they suceed it will be a sad day for English football.

And I hate it when people say average players like Butcher are national heroes just because they cut their head once. He was an average player in an age of shit England players. He wouldn't come close to this squad. I would far rather have the players we have now than a bunch of kickers like Butcher & Pearce

 

[Brovion]

Terry Butcher remains one of the all time great England players alongside the best EVER like Stuart Pearce and Teddy Sherringham

NO! That is precisely WHY we under-achieve at international level, because people say players like Butcher and Pearce where 'all time greats'. They were not, they were average players who shouted a lot. There's more to playing international football than simply being 'up for it', banging on dressing room walls and bellowing out the National Anthem.

Forget the manager, the goalie, the midfield; all the while our watchwords are things like "passion" and "belief" as opposed to "skill" and "talent" we will be international also-rans

 

[fatbadger]

The fact that Terry Butcher believes Beckham should be dropped is surely enough proof that he should remain in the side. He was and always has been a shit manager.

I'm not saying Butcher is one of the great managers, but he has pulled off near-miracles in his time at Motherwell.

 

[Willow]

Butcher said before the Poland game that Beckham owes England a decent match, and that his previous good match for England was against Greece in 2001.

Agree with the first sentiment, but the second part shows how his mindset has crossed that fairly rugged road from player to commentator / journalist. Beckham was average in that game - his hero status came from scoring the free-kick in the last minute.

The Large One, I suggest you get yourself down to the nearest Dolland & Aitchison sharpish. You're totally off the mark. Beckam's performance in that game was nothing short of miraculous, he played out of his skin that day. None of his team-mates could get out of 1st gear and Becks covered every position with unbelievable energy and vision. Possibly the best individual performance I've ever seen from an England player when compared to his team-mates. Again!

Unfortunately this is the benchmark game that Beckham now has to live up to, and is failing to do so.