Government prevent publication of 'positive' immigration report

[Hamilton]

Obviously population growth is good for the economy, that's obvious - but there's no denying that rapid rates of immigration has a great potential to cause irreparable cultural damage.

Reminds me of that gag about a bomb going off in the centre of grimsby and causing £100 million worth of improvements.

 

[keaton]

Well, shall I keep it simple for you........?... in August this year Labour were saying immigration does have a negative affect on britains workforce,.... then a few months later a report commissioned through the current government says the opposite,.... the surpression or otherwise of these results are one thing, the contradiction between our two main political bodies and these results is another altogether.

That's pretty patronising from someone who doesn't seem to understand what hypocrisy is.
How is it hypocritical for a political party(or in this case a member) to make a statement that a later study contradicts?

 

[BigGully]

That's pretty patronising from someone who doesn't seem to understand what hypocrisy is.
How is it hypocritical for a political party(or in this case a member) to make a statement that a later study contradicts?

What part of this unknown report has contradicted any earlier statement ........

 

[Creaky]

So who should those of us that believe we should be out of the EU ( and not just for immigration reasons ) vote for then ?

It's very simple - find out which of the candidates that will be standing in your area share your views on the EU and vote for them irrespective of which party they belong to.

 

[BigGully]

It's very simple - find out which of the candidates that will be standing in your area share your views on the EU and vote for them irrespective of which party they belong to.

Just as well chat to a bloke at a bus stop ........

 

[Creaky]

Just as well chat to a bloke at a bus stop ........

How do you mean?

 

[BigGully]

How do you mean?

Same effect as do what you advised ...... pointless really.

 

[Creaky]

Same effect as do what you advised ...... pointless really.

So voting for someone at an election who best represents your own political view is a pointless exercise?

Got to be better than voting for someone who holds the opposite views I would think

 

[The Large One]

It's very simple - find out which of the candidates that will be standing in your area share your views on the EU and vote for them irrespective of which party they belong to.

They will toe a party line, which you can read about ad nauseum elsewhere; conversation will be pointless. They're there to persuade you, not the other way round.

One thing a universal plebiscite brings about is a universal dose of meaningless bullshit.

Babbling ad-men, the lot of them.

 

[Creaky]

They will toe a party line, which you can read about ad nauseum elsewhere.

One thing a universal plebiscite brings about is a universal dose of meaningless bullshit.

That is true all the time the electorate vote along party lines because the power lies with the party rather than with the electorate.

On the other hand if more people were to vote for an individual taking into account a candidates previous record then MPs would be more circumspect about voting along party lines knowing it was likely to lose them votes at the next election.

Currently it is the other way round, an MP knows that if they buck the party line they won't be selected as a candidate for the next election.

The British voters are like herds of sheep in the majority - they just follow each other into one of the party pens.

 

[daveinprague]

So voting for someone at an election who best represents your own political view is a pointless exercise?

Got to be better than voting for someone who holds the opposite views I would think

Not entirely off topic, but I knew a bloke at work in Brighton years ago, who, when asked WHY
he had voted Tory replied....'I thought they had the best chance of winning'....


?? What ??

Gobsmacked.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Change Government to Ed Milliband and put in Falkirk Unite Union vote fixing.....same result...why doesn't Ed publish the Labour inquiry to that.

The Falkirk Unite vote fixing thing is not a national electoral issue in the same way that immigration is.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

So who should those of us that believe we should be out of the EU ( and not just for immigration reasons ) vote for then ?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote because you are obviously daft.

The above is said with humorous intent rather than anything else - although I do hold the opposite point of view.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Just out of interest, I attended an event in the Mayor's parlour in Southampton last week which was to honour people who had been nominated by local voluntary organisations for having done at least 100 hours of quality volunteering. Of those present - about 50 people in all, I would say roughly half (if not more) were immigrants, some obviously because of the colour of their skin or their clothes (although they could quite possibly being born in this country) and some from eastern Europe - two Poles, one Latvian and two Romanians. I spoke to one of the Poles - a delightful bloke who couldn't see what all the fuss was about.

Our society would be all the worse without them.

 

[Mellotron]

Whenever I hear of someone disillusioned with the main political parties, I think yes, I do to, it's a system built on the foundations of a perpetual class system unable to undertake true reform.

Whenever I then hear of that same someone then saying they'll vote UKIP instead, a little part of me dies....

This.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Whenever I hear of someone disillusioned with the main political parties, I think yes, I do to, it's a system built on the foundations of a perpetual class system unable to undertake true reform.

Whenever I then hear of that same someone then saying they'll vote UKIP instead, a little part of me dies....

Very much this.

 

[cunning fergus]

Well, I appreciate I have a vested interest here, but the UK HE sector brings in about £15 billion a year, and is one of this country's highest net exporters. The government's policy to reduce international student visas by 26%, due to wanting to be able to crow about reducing migration to 100,000, is costing the Exchequer a fortune for the sake of political expediency rather than economic benefits.

At the same time the government is encouraging overseas private companies to create 'universities' here, and they employ specialists whose aim is to maximise and manipulate the student visa system. It's ridiculous.

Hmmm, but it is not a one way street is it, how are these costs being estimated, does it for example reflect the impact student populations have on local housing, local services, jobs, healthcare etc. I am not saying there are no positives but like most matters (immmigration included), it is not a simple binary issue.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5078652/Hundreds-of-bogus-colleges-exposed.html

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/may/12/eu-graduate-unpaid-fees-50m

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...versities-The-breeding-grounds-of-terror.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11877034

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Not sure why you would vote UKIP as a "protest vote" - you would be better off not voting at all.

I vote for the person who deals with local issues the best and that happens to be my current Lib Dem MP - I dont stick to any particular party, I just vote for whoever is doing the best job for my area, which is by far and away the Lib Dems.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Don't see how voting UKIP really works as a protest vote either. People can claim X,Y and Z all they like but in the end your still voting for a party that's fundamentaly racist, xenophobic, sexist and homophobic so congratulations.

 

[beorhthelm]

Don't see how voting UKIP really works as a protest vote either. People can claim X,Y and Z all they like but in the end your still voting for a party that's fundamentaly racist, xenophobic, sexist and homophobic so congratulations.

agree, while set up ostenibly for UK independence they seem to get sidetracked on the immigration issue, which is one of the the least concerns with being in the EU.