General Election 2015

[Tubby Mondays]

Those of you that want the Union bossed Labour party back in have very short memories I fear...open door immigration policiy...borrow spend...some of you have said no holiday this year...life must be hard,I have not had a holiday since 2004 but I'm more concerned that we keep the left wing out of parliament...my country is more important than what I can get out of it...those who'd rather be under left wing...try some of the left wing countries. Socialism does not work...just look across the Channel.

Union bossed Labour Party?

Are you aware of the reforms that Milliband is bringing in regarding the Union/Labour Party connection?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Those of you that want the Union bossed Labour party back in have very short memories I fear...open door immigration policiy...borrow spend...some of you have said no holiday this year...life must be hard,I have not had a holiday since 2004 but I'm more concerned that we keep the left wing out of parliament...my country is more important than what I can get out of it...those who'd rather be under left wing...try some of the left wing countries. Socialism does not work...just look across the Channel.

Are you aware of the immigration figures for the last 12 months that have come after the present governments 'cap' on immigration?

 

[Bozza]

Even so please see my previous points regarding no reduction in deficit;

So, on these very pages 3-4 years ago you criticised the Tories for wanting to cut the deficit, following Balls(up)'s "Too far, too fast" mantra and now you are criticising for the deficit not being cut.

Any other U-turns you're going to make?

 

[Pavilionaire]

The planet 'Great Britain' in 2014 unfortunately.

I dont know what the BCC is and I dont know what the UK economy 'expecting' to grow by 3.2% this year or 47.9% has got to do with your assertion that the economy is already better?!

The CBI may report that retailers are at their most optimistic since 2002, but that would surely indicate that things arent better, but instead indicate that they are hoping for things to get better?!

Even so please see my previous points regarding no reduction in deficit; loss of credit rating; consumer spending being built on low interest rates and throw in; wages not keeping up with inflation for the vast majority and the very thing that knackered the financial system of the western world; an over inflated mortgage/property/housing bubble.

The unemployment rate is 6.4%, so it's come down steadily over the last year or so and is the lowest since 2008. Interest rates continue to be low, so great for those with mortgages or those seeking business loans.

The construction industry is now well out of its slump and business is good. Growth is strong, especially compared with other main EU countries. The FTSE reached a 14 year high in Feb 14 and has pretty much stayed there for the last 6 months.

Whatever way you dice it the UK economy is looking up.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

So, on these very pages 3-4 years ago you criticised the Tories for wanting to cut the deficit, following Balls(up)'s "Too far, too fast" mantra and now you are criticising for the deficit not being cut.

Any other U-turns you're going to make?

Not a U-Turn at all sir, more the point (some might say proven fact now) that you dont reduce a deficit by making cuts alone.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

The unemployment rate is 6.4%, so it's come down steadily over the last year or so and is the lowest since 2008. Interest rates continue to be low, so great for those with mortgages or those seeking business loans.

The construction industry is now well out of its slump and business is good. Growth is strong, especially compared with other main EU countries. The FTSE reached a 14 year high in Feb 14 and has pretty much stayed there for the last 6 months.

Whatever way you dice it the UK economy is looking up.

Once again; unemployment is low due, in part, to many people being forced into low income/zero hours/part time work. Very vulnerable employment when things go down the shitpan again soon.

Interest rates are indeed low and have been for a very long time so many will have got used to that, and once again unfortunately, lived beyond their means. So once again; when te interest rates rise any people will be in queer street and so will the economy.

Any improvement in the economy is built on sand.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

So, on these very pages 3-4 years ago you criticised the Tories for wanting to cut the deficit, following Balls(up)'s "Too far, too fast" mantra and now you are criticising for the deficit not being cut.

Any other U-turns you're going to make?

Or you could put it another way; for all the cuts: why isnt the deficit paid off as it was stated that it would be?!

 

[Pavilionaire]

It's extremely unlikely that interest rates will rise rapidly. Indeed, the indicators are that they will rise incrementally by quarter or half percentages points, but only when the economy can sustain it. The government have helped the low paid by increasing the personal allowance so two people can earn £20,000 between them and pay zero tax. There's still a way to go though.

The biggest danger to the country is the voters themselves. The banking crisis, politicians expenses, ending up with a coalition, Scottish independence vote and the rise of UKIP has left people not knowing who they feel they can trust, so everyone is the bad guy, and that's not really the case.

 

[beorhthelm]

Not a U-Turn at all sir, more the point (some might say proven fact now) that you dont reduce a deficit by making cuts alone.

yeah, you do really. if you want to take a decade or so while GDP catches up, to return higher tax receipts, you can keep spending static at best. maybe. as it is, GDP has risen, receipts increased and still needed cuts... for the deficit to not fall as expected. really the cuts aren't deep enough to keep pace, and Osborne hasnt done anything other than hope growth would do the lifting for him.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Thats very well written. If I were curious I might think that had been ripped from somewhere. At least credit it or give the link!

Anyway; regardless of whether they rise rapidly or not lots of people will be caught out again, which will have an overall effect on the economy.

The government has also not helped the low paid by reducing tax credits and housing benefit for those already in work, massively knackering the benefits system with its way over budget, way over target universal credit system. The most intelligent thing youve said is that there is a way to go. Back to the drawing board in any reasonable persons estimation.

How can the voters be the biggest danger in a democratic country?!

Yeah god forbid they catch on!

And people in this very thread have slated socialism!

For flips sake!

 

[Tubby Mondays]

yeah, you do really. if you want to take a decade or so while GDP catches up, to return higher tax receipts, you can keep spending static at best. maybe. as it is, GDP has risen, receipts increased and still needed cuts... for the deficit to not fall as expected. really the cuts aren't deep enough to keep pace, and Osborne hasnt done anything other than hope growth would do the lifting for him.

Oh right. Sorry.

So there wont be a deficit come the next election due entirely to the cuts as predicted.

Apologies all round.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

yeah, you do really. if you want to take a decade or so while GDP catches up, to return higher tax receipts, you can keep spending static at best. maybe. as it is, GDP has risen, receipts increased and still needed cuts... for the deficit to not fall as expected. really the cuts aren't deep enough to keep pace, and Osborne hasnt done anything other than hope growth would do the lifting for him.

Not by stimulating growth at all?

Only by cuts?

 

[bhachris]

Oh right. Sorry.

So there wont be a deficit come the next election due entirely to the cuts as predicted.

Apologies all round.

Who said that the deficit would be eliminated entirely by cuts? Takes a lot of factors, sound economy being the most important, don't think I would trust Ed Balls with that one

 

[bhachris]

The government has also not helped the low paid by reducing tax credits and housing benefit for those already in work, massively knackering the benefits system with its way over budget, way over target universal credit system.

Well the Government increased the tax threshold to £10,000 this year, massive increase since they came into power, this helps working people, puts pounds in pockets, makes it worth getting off benefits and into work that little much easier. I don't think Labour increased it hardly at all which helped create the benefit culture. As for tax credits and all other Labour invented overly complicated scam benefits, if you want a decent standard of living and don't want to claim and rely on these 'benefits' then it's not that difficult to use a bit of imagination, get off ones arse and stand on ones two feet!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Once again; unemployment is low due, in part, to many people being forced into low income/zero hours/part time work. Very vulnerable employment when things go down the shitpan again soon.

Interest rates are indeed low and have been for a very long time so many will have got used to that, and once again unfortunately, lived beyond their means. So once again; when te interest rates rise any people will be in queer street and so will the economy.

Any improvement in the economy is built on sand.

This.

 

[bhachris]

This.

Glass half empty, show a bit of optimism! When you start with 'sorry the moneys all gone' think they have done a good job

 

[beorhthelm]

So there wont be a deficit come the next election due entirely to the cuts as predicted.

did i say that? nope. the predictions have always been hopeful at best and rely on natrual cycle of the economy, not policy by Osborne, who has done as little as possible.

Not by stimulating growth at all?

Only by cuts?

the evidence is before us, that the cuts arent enough to achieve the objective. yes, you can get there by stimulating growth, but it takes longer, and in the mean time you have to increase the deficit to get there. " too far, too fast" is basically Balls saying he'd do the same as Osborne but over a longer period. you cant meaningfully reduce deficits in short period unless you cut spending.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Glass half empty, show a bit of optimism! When you start with 'sorry the moneys all gone' think they have done a good job

It's nothing to do with optimism. It's more about not having the wool pulled over my eyes by George Osborne. A bunch of Etonians saying we're all in this together?

 

[bhachris]

It's nothing to do with optimism. It's more about not having the wool pulled over my eyes by George Osborne. A bunch of Etonians saying we're all in this together?

Personally I sleep well at night knowing the top guys in government went to the best schools, best education for the most demanding and challenging jobs is good huh?? Perhaps they should ban anybody who works fro NASA from having studied ay Harvard or Yale, only fair, don't want to discriminate against those who don't have qualifications

 

[algie]

You may well be right and I actually like proper coalitions; not the current nonsense with two idealogical opposed parties shoe-horned together and muddling through.

The Tories will not be running the country, this is all I really care about at the moment. One step at a time.

Next year watch out for a good budget to smooth things over in time for the next election.