Gay Foster carers abused young boys

[Pigsy]

I think you'll find that there are fewer cases of abuse now by foster parents/carers in Residential homes than there have been in the past.

I don't think homosexual couples are more likely to abuse their charges, but the concept (and reality) of them as adoptive parents just doesn't sit right with me.

 

[Les Biehn]

No your narrowminded because you beleive the questioning of gay adoption/fostering rights is some emotional prejudice against homosexuals rather than as I have already stated twice concern for child welfare.

You constant use of Faggot, Homo, Gay etc as a term of abuse certainly suggests you have some homophobic attitude. However I may be wrong. Well done for suggesting I am anti-child Looney, makes your blatant homophobic agenda look so much more convincing.

And how are they high risk? You said yourself the massively substantiated statistic you quoted (I think I saw it on the internet once) was the figure for those in care. There could be many reasons for this, for a start the figure within the rest of society could be much higher for straight men because pure and simply they would find it easier to have children, adopt children, come into contact with children. So perhaps gay child abusers see the care work route as their way to get access to children, this certainly suggests that statistic is flawed when applied to the rest of society.

Also abusers of boys are often presumed to be gay because they are after boys. However if the category of Peodophile was exclusively applied this figure would probably drop. Most gay men I know seem to like rough looking guys with big cocks, not all but a fair few of them.

I could easily suggest you are anti-child, depriving numbers of them from finding a caring home because of a minority. Perhaps you should suggest better ways of regulating the system rather than banning gay men because you think they are more likely to molest boys.

 

[Dandyman]

...and by a strange twist of fate, today's online Arsegas brings us this...

Councillor in gay row to keep post
by Adrian Kwintner


Tory councillor Peter Willows A Tory councillor facing a police investigation amid allegations he said homosexuals were all paedophiles is to carry on serving his ward for the party.

Gay activists have criticised the decision to allow Peter Willows to carry on representing Brighton and Hove City Council's Hangleton and Knoll ward while police investigate him for alleged public order offences.

The Conservative group on the city council decided only to suspend him from council committees, pending the outcome of the investigation.

Mr Willows is facing possible expulsion from the council and the Tories after admitting making the offensive remark at the mayor's reception at the Royal Pavilion on Thursday.

When confronted by The Argus he said he was drunk and added: "I don't have the same hatred for the gay community that I do for paedophiles. But I don't like them."

Yesterday the council's Conservative group suspended the long-serving Hangleton and Knoll councillor as a Tory member of the council's committees. The decision not to suspend him from his ward work provoked further outrage from the gay community.

Openly-gay Lib Dem councillor Paul Elgood said: "This flies in the face of David Cameron's new approach to politics in terms of reaching out to the gay community.

"While he remains in the Conservative party, the gay community will still not be able to trust the Tories on equality matters. These were premeditated comments designed to cause the maximum offence and his record shows that. This is a litmus test for the Tory party. He should be suspended from the Tory party until this investigation is complete."

David Harvey, editor of Brighton gay magazine 3Sixty, said: "If the Conservatives want a modern party, they would not want a person in it who has spoken such offensive things. He should resign and go."

Mr Willows yesterday told The Argus he had been "ordered not to give any comment" during the course of the investigation.

Earlier this month, Coun Willows insulted the gay community by complaining about the council's decision to fly the rainbow flag to celebrate International Day Against Homophobia (IDAHO) on May 17.

He apologised on Friday in a statement to The Argus, which said: "I recognise the comments have caused serious offence to the LGBT community and I wholeheartedly retract them and apologise for them.

"If comments I made at a recent civic event were taken to mean I equate paedophiles and gay people, that was not my intention nor my belief and again I apologise."

His comments outraged gay activists, who called for his resignation. Fellow Tories condemned his remarks and said he would be dealt with internally.

Speaking yesterday, Conservative party leader at the council, Brian Oxley, said: "In the light of a police investigation into these remarks and a possible reference to the independent Standards Board, it would be inappropriate for Councillor Willows to continue serving as a Conservative representative on council committees during this time.

"Conservative councillors value highly their ward work on behalf of local people and so Councillor Willows as a ward councillor will continue his work by discussing issues direct with officers and making representations on local issues in the usual way.

"Once these enquiries are concluded and their findings known, the Conservative group will consider the matter further."

A police spokeswoman said: "We are investigating him for any offences under the Public Order Act."

James Ledward, of G-Scene magazine, was at the mayor's reception and made a statement to the police on Saturday about the remarks.

Gay councillor Simon Williams, of the Green Party, has condemned Coun Willow's statements but advised the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transexual community not to give them undue attention.

He said: "Coun Willows is obviously entitled to disapprove of homosexuality but to object to a day that commemorates innocent people who have been murdered or suffered violence just because of their sexuality is totally inappropriate behaviour. I am pleased he has apologised and his Tory colleagues are distancing themselves from his remarks.

"However, the LGBT community should not pay too much attention to these fringe views and we need to be careful to avoid giving them undue attention with hysterical and adversarial counter-comments."

Conservative chief whip Ken Norman said: "We shouldn't allow Peter to say anything to anybody. It could compromise his position. It's not fair on him. If he is being investigated, then let the investigation take place."

Mr Willows also faced criticism from some of his own ward constituents.

Olivia Camp, 22, a nurse, of High Park Avenue, Hangleton, said: "I think it's awful. I didn't think people thought like that anymore."

Hayley Camp, 22, also of High Park Avenue, said: "Considering the time and age we're in, it's a bit shocking."

Mayur Patel, of Hangleton Way, said: "I'm not surprised people are upset and I wouldn't vote for him."

 

[Pigsy]

[BOlivia Camp, 22, a nurse, of High Park Avenue, Hangleton, said: "I think it's awful. I didn't think people thought like that anymore."

Hayley Camp, 22, also of High Park Avenue, said: "Considering the time and age we're in, it's a bit shocking."

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How fitting that they questioned a camp pair


And why do transexuals always get lumped in with bisexuals, gays and lesbians?

 

[Les Biehn]

Olivia Camp, 22, a nurse, of High Park Avenue, Hangleton, said: "I think it's awful. I didn't think people thought like that anymore."

Hayley Camp, 22, also of High Park Avenue, said: "Considering the time and age we're in, it's a bit shocking."

Mayur Patel, of Hangleton Way, said: "I'm not surprised people are upset and I wouldn't vote for him."

What a bunch of narrow minded bastards eh Looney.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Keep them biting Looney

 

[Dandyman]

How fitting that they questioned a camp pair


And why do transexuals always get lumped in with bisexuals, gays and lesbians?

Just noticed that.

LGBT tends to be the acronym these days. Sounds a bit like an alternative sandwich.

 

[Les Biehn]

Keep them biting Looney

I love the way people presume that Looneys 'agendas' are soley about winding people up. I find it mildly amusing when he posts things like calling someone a 'Paki', because he is clearly doing it for kicks just to wind people up. Mind you i am laughing at the people that give it more time than it deserves and Looney for being such a fool. But the effort put into this thread clearly shows him up for the bigot he is, not just some inflammitary arsewipe doing it for kicks.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Keep them biting Looney

I don't mind the baiting. It is good to have a debate now and then. Gets your mind going and your juices flowing...

 

[Man of Harveys]

I don't mind the baiting. It is good to have a debate now and then. Gets your mind going and your juices flowing...

Yes, plus it confirms everything I've ever suspected about scoutmasters.

 

[Pigsy]

Yes, plus it confirms everything I've ever suspected about scoutmasters.

Hmm, a bit obsessed? Where's that "trademark tolerance" for the hundreds of members of the scouting movement who don't get their kicks from molesting small children?

 

[Man of Harveys]

Hmm, a bit obsessed? Where's that "trademark tolerance" for the hundreds of members of the scouting movement who don't get their kicks from molesting small children?

I'll have to take your word for that - thankfully my only experience of them is the one who shot those kids in Dunblane, and a strange middle-aged man who gets his kicks obsessively cutting and pasting neo-fascistic drivel on a football message board. I've seen all I want.

 

[Pigsy]

I'll have to take your word for that - thankfully my only experience of them is the one who went shot those kids in Dunblane, and a strange middle-aged man who gets his kicks obsessively cutting and pasting neo-fascistic drivel on a football message board. I've seen all I want.

Thats fair enough, as long as you have two examples of something, I'd say that was enough to cover everyone...........sort of backs up Looney's point though, if he's using these two abusers as an example of all gay men don't you think?

 

[Man of Harveys]

Thats fair enough, as long as you have two examples of something, I'd say that was enough to cover everyone...........sort of backs up Looney's point though, if he's using these two abusers as an example of all gay men don't you think?

Er, no - for example, I know a lot of gay people and have a lot of gay mates. None of them would ever dream of harming children. I've also no doubt in my mind that a gay couple is at least as capable of bringing up a child lovingly and caringly as a straight couple, so I know that this weirdo's point is f***ed up from the start, as it always is.

Of course, no-one ever suspected anything weird about scoutmasters before Dunblane, ahem and if their chosen hobby seemed a bit strange to me before, it seems even weirder now I've read this particular sad soul's "contributions" to this board. That's about it.

[edited to remove a grocer's apostrophe]

 

[H block]

Yes, plus it confirms everything I've ever suspected about scoutmasters.

Why this witch hunt against scoutleaders.
Yes we wear big baggy shorts and yes the majority of us have decided not to marry but I take exception to the notion that we would in some way harm the members of our groups. The odd pat on the bottom for encouragement is not abuse anyway.

 

[H block]

I'll have to take your word for that - thankfully my only experience of them is the one who shot those kids in Dunblane, and a strange middle-aged man who gets his kicks obsessively cutting and pasting neo-fascistic drivel on a football message board. I've seen all I want.

Did you know all football managers are pedo`s.
I have the facts to convince you on that point as well.
Graham Rix was convicted of sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of consent and Dave Jones was put on trial ( and exonerated ) on child abuse charges. Thats good enough to back up my opening statement surely.

 

[bhaexpress]

Did you know all football managers are pedo`s.
I have the facts to convince you on that point as well.
Graham Rix was convicted of sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of consent and Dave Jones was put on trial ( and exonerated ) on child abuse charges. Thats good enough to back up my opening statement surely.

Bloody hell, two posts that I agree 100% with !

 

[The Large One]

Go back to page 2 for the original post that this is a reply to.

That certain percentage is what the topic is about.

So... what? Keep children out of care in case their new 'parents' abuse them? Good choice. Oh, for your brains and way of thinking...

 

[H block]

Bloody hell, two posts that I agree 100% with !

I don`t really believe the unemployed are lazy you know...........

 

[looney]

I'll try to explain this one more time an maybe you''ll get it.

But first let me say I am an ex-scoutleader, I just followed on from being a venture scout.

Gays are banned from the scout movement, Those wishing to become leaders need to appear before a local pannel of "Tory types" before being issued a warrant. Probably for similar reasons as the one I will give.

The percentages that follow are not accurate just guessed but are there to show the issue is one of order of magnatude not a generalisation.

Say 10% of the population are gay. 3million.

Say 1% are pedophiles
=30,000

Say 1% of them decide to target child care=300

It is not unknown for some carehome pedos to top a 100+victims, take the scandal in NI whcih involved a protestant boys home(Forget the name, makes a change from preists I suppose).

Those 300 if targeted short term foster care could easily abuse 10 or more children, 3,000.

The question is ,is it worth puting that number of children at risk of abuse to sate the desires of a group who by definition do not breed and who's expectations of parenthood are by definition limited?

There are other issues wrapped up in this as well, role models etc.

This is not prejudice, its about protecting some of the most vulnerable people who are powerless.