First Black F1 Driver...

[Cian]

Quite right, I checked..it was an equally shit IRISH team - Jordan Toyota

Nope, they were Russian in 2005.

 

[Icy Gull]

Nope, they were Russian in 2005.

You learn something new everyday, I never knew there was ever a Russian team. Shame Jordan quit Formula One, he was great value and was never afraid to speak his mind, just like that Aussie who sold out a couple of years ago. I hesitate to say that WAS Arrows as I think it may have been yet another failed team that made up the back of the grid week in and week out.

 

[JJ McClure]

just like that Aussie who sold out a couple of years ago. I hesitate to say that WAS Arrows as I think it may have been yet another failed team that made up the back of the grid week in and week out.

Paul Stoddard owned Minardi I think

 

[Cian]

No, it was Stoddart at Minardi. Arrows was Walkinshaw, they went bust.

Both Jordan and Stoddart applied for the spare licence, but it was given to Prodrive.

EJ still owns all the Jordan trademarks, and wants to get back in - he just ran out of cash to put together anything that could finish a race for the 2005 season. Seems he can afford it now though

 

[Icy Gull]

No, it was Stoddart at Minardi. Arrows was Walkinshaw, they went bust.

Both Jordan and Stoddart applied for the spare licence, but it was given to Prodrive.

EJ still owns all the Jordan trademarks, and wants to get back in - he just ran out of cash to put together anything that could finish a race for the 2005 season. Seems he can afford it now though

Are Prodrive competing this year then? They really f***ed up when they prepared the Alfa 155 in the Touring cars the year after Tarquini annihilated the field in the controversial 155 with a splitter. Hope they've improved

 

[Cian]

No, 2008 season is when their licence starts.

 

[Marc]

Good news, more British talent making its way through to F1.

 

[Woodchip]

Good luck Lewis. If you shoud ever stumble across this board. Looking forward to a good season next season, with a bit more British talent.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

yes there have been a few half caste drivers and women as you say. but the women were all crap and finished 4 laps behind everyone else

Not trying to stir things up, but I read a very interesting article in one of the broadsheet papers last week, about the vast number of mixed race players in football. They spoke in particular to Jobi McAnuff, but also to the likes of Ashley Cole, Bobby Zamora, David James, all of whom have black and white heritage.

McAnuff commented how people in this country inevitably label him as "black", despite the fact that he has one black and one white parent. He found that strange, although seemed to be able to live with it.

He, and pretty much all of the other players spoken to, however, really hated the term "half caste", stating it was derogatory and unpleasant.

Just thought I'd mention it before someone else does...it's a little bit Alf Garnett, don't you think?

 

[tedebear]

Not trying to stir things up, but I read a very interesting article in one of the broadsheet papers last week, about the vast number of mixed race players in football. They spoke in particular to Jobi McAnuff, but also to the likes of Ashley Cole, Bobby Zamora, David James, all of whom have black and white heritage.

McAnuff commented how people in this country inevitably label him as "black", despite the fact that he has one black and one white parent. He found that strange, although seemed to be able to live with it.

He, and pretty much all of the other players spoken to, however, really hated the term "half caste", stating it was derogatory and unpleasant.

Just thought I'd mention it before someone else does...it's a little bit Alf Garnett, don't you think?

Good point - I do recall Tiger Woods - also saying he isn't black!

 

[Icy Gull]

Not trying to stir things up, but I read a very interesting article in one of the broadsheet papers last week, about the vast number of mixed race players in football. They spoke in particular to Jobi McAnuff, but also to the likes of Ashley Cole, Bobby Zamora, David James, all of whom have black and white heritage.

McAnuff commented how people in this country inevitably label him as "black", despite the fact that he has one black and one white parent. He found that strange, although seemed to be able to live with it.

He, and pretty much all of the other players spoken to, however, really hated the term "half caste", stating it was derogatory and unpleasant.

Just thought I'd mention it before someone else does...it's a little bit Alf Garnett, don't you think?

I imagine it's a big improvement on 30 odd years ago when many mixed race kids got shit from Blacks AND whites though?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I can understand McAnuff's point- most of the white community take one look and call him black, yet some of the black community don't regard him as quite black because he's "too white".

Plus I guess if you have parents from different ethnic backgrounds, to call you exclusively "black" or "white" is completely ignoring one side of your family's heritage.

What I find interesting (as a white person) is that some white people will automatically assume you share their views on ethnicity, simply because of your skin colour.

I've been at work when a guy has described two black guys who lived near him as "spear-chuckers", and it never remotely occurred to him that I might find that offensive- he simply assumed that as a fellow white person it would be a perfectly natural description. What stunned me is that he wasn't even trying to be offensive, it appeared to be an everyday, normal expression to him. He was about 60 I'd guess, maybe it's a generational thing, but I couldn't believe anyone still used terms like that.

Another (also older) gentleman described to me quite nonchalantly how his neighbourhood had gone downhill "since they moved all the darkies in". This was in 2006.


:thud:

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I read that article as well - I think it was in the Observer?

Very interesting and a good insight into another taboo of British 'civilisation'.

 

[Hoggy]

disgraceful

 

[seven stands]

There is nothing wrong with the lady drivers in the usa . Although they do just go round in circles