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im hoping that the anti falmer site has a forum on it! LETS GO SPAM!
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Cant anyone hack into this site and change this "So 1 sided crap"? 
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What a pile of shit that website is. Full of half-truths, innuendo and blatant lies.
Bunch of wankers.
Bunch of wankers.
marvin
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The official site was www.falmerforall.co.uk but this is requesting a password to enter it so something gone wrong.
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This is crap
Key arguments against a stadium at Falmer
1 . There are alternative sites, Falmer is just a quick, cheap option. Government policy is to develop brownfield sites, not ,greenfield agricultural land. But neither B&H Council or B&H Albion (a commercial company which has sold off it's ground and assets to pay off debts), has real money for this development. Hence the choice of cheap, or gifted, council land at Falmer, with spurious links made to the universities and the community to gain access to grants intended for genuine educational/community/regional aid projects. To support this strategy no consideration of alternative sites has taken place in the council (where a free vote on choice of site has not been allowed), or by the public from whom real information or discussion of alternative sites has been with-held.
2. The Falmer site is designated an area of outstanding natural beauty. Falmer village and it's surrounding areas is well used by visitors, walkers and others seeking a rural respite from town and traffic. Once developed the site will be lost forever. A modern football stadium will not blend into the rolling Downland. We know, we've been to look at new stadiums in other towns. Don't let artist's impressions of an idyllic stadium, without people, traffic or noise etc., fool you. The real thing with 20,000 to 25,000 people (35,000 at pop concerts etc.), their cars and other transport and associated problems, added to already heavy traffic in the area, will have a major negative impact on Falmer village and the rural aspect enjoyed by so many.
3. The proposed development goes against a substantial number of B&H council's own planning criteria for this site. Development on this area of outstanding natural beauty is supposed to be allowed only in the national interest and where no alternative site is available. This proposal fails those and other key criteria. Barnet FC, also in the third division, have recently been refused planning permission for a stadium (smaller than the Falmer proposal) - because of the traffic problems it would cause and because the site was in the greenbelt. Southampton FC have also been refused permission for a new stadium on a greenfield site and will now build their stadium in the centre of the town, adjacent to the railway station. Six out of nine greenfield planning applications in the last two years have failed
4. B&H already have a community stadium in Brighton, at Withdean, which is not excessively used so why do they need another? They don’t. If the football club did not need a ground a community stadium would not be on the agenda.
5. All the community benefits suggested as part of a stadium development are available at Withdean or elsewhere, or can be made available, without a stadium at Falmer. We have in the area Stanmer park for major outside events and concerts, a theatre, sports halls, gymnasiums, all weather pitches and sports fields available at two universities and two council and two private leisure centres. Falmer has more covered leisure areas than the rest of Brighton and Hove put together. How many more leisure facilities are needed in this area? Facilities should be spread and located in the communities that need them.
6. Traffic - The road access, car parking and pedestrian access to the proposed stadium, operating seven days a week, is totally inadequate. Neither B&H Albion, or B&H council, can control the long term use of the car for football matches or for the non-football events that will be required to make the stadium financially viable. Nor will seven days a week marshalling be financially viable or practical. The stadium would be less than 400 metres away from Falmer village with stadium main access at one of the busiest junctions of the A27/A270 and the Brighton bypass, and adjacent to the main entrances to two universities and a private leisure centre. To deliberately bring more traffic, on this scale, into this area, which already carries 29, 000 vehicles per day (increasing by 3-4% a year), would be extreme folly. Remember, the stadium is intended to operate seven days a week with as many major events, including,, pop concerts and similar commercial events, as possible included. Proposed changes to rail facilities are sticking plaster solutions to real problems. On current best projections rail and park and ride will not carry more than 50% of the 22,300 (35,000 for concerts) capacity, leaving 12,000 plus to arrive by car. Stadium traffic will adversely effect local roads and a wide area of East Sussex
7. The proposed 8 acre site is too small for this type of development. Of six new football stadiums (one at the planning stage) surveyed very recently the smallest site was 75 acres, with the majority of sites up to 200 acres with various commercial developments included for financial viability. All the evidence from other new stadiums suggests that further, secondary development, will be required alongside a stadium. The B&H pre-deposit local plan is already suggesting a business park at Falmer. Brighton already has business parks in the area standing half empty. Five of the sites surveyed had no rail facilities nearby, only one club was planning to build a new station on an adjacent railway line, in the future. This indicates real expected car use in the future. The other sites had 3 to 4 times the dedicated car parking intended at the Falmer site, most of which will be borrowed from the universities, if available, and at weekends only and which in any case would be totally inadequate. A solution to weekday stadium parking requirements has not been indicated. All the other sites surveyed were brownfield or ex brownfield, in line with government policy. A recent report from the government's Urban Task Force has recommended redevelopment of brownfield sites in the cities and a reduction in the use of greenfield land. Cardiff is building the new Welsh national stadium in the town centre. It expects £9 to be spent ill the town by visitors to the stadium for every £1 spent at the stadium.
8. B&H council could be getting into a financial situation that they, and the taxpayers, could live to regret, if as part of a deal for cheap council land at Falmer they join any stadium management company set up. If the Albion are not successful (they will need the average attendance of a good first division team just to pay the stadium rent and will have borrowings/debt of at least £5 million when a new stadium is opened - they are currently in the lower half of the third division and out of the FA cup) , the council and it's partners could be left with a financially loss making development - taxpayers to foot the bill. A number of the football league's lower division clubs including Portsmouth, Swindon and Crystal Palace are struggling financially and may not survive. Attendance at lower division matches will riot be helped by the continuing expansion of televised games. Southampton FC have said in recent weeks that a new stadium would not be financially viable if the club fell from the premier league to the first division.
9. A stadium at Falmer, to pay it's way, will have to compete for business with other new "Stadiums of the South" like Wembley, Reading, Basingstoke (proposed), Southampton, or Portsmouth, and with the likes of the Brighton Centre, hotels etc. along the south coast offering conference facilities, and venues for concerts and other events. Someone (and some jobs) will be losers in the competition for a finite amount of business.
Key arguments against a stadium at Falmer
1 . There are alternative sites, Falmer is just a quick, cheap option. Government policy is to develop brownfield sites, not ,greenfield agricultural land. But neither B&H Council or B&H Albion (a commercial company which has sold off it's ground and assets to pay off debts), has real money for this development. Hence the choice of cheap, or gifted, council land at Falmer, with spurious links made to the universities and the community to gain access to grants intended for genuine educational/community/regional aid projects. To support this strategy no consideration of alternative sites has taken place in the council (where a free vote on choice of site has not been allowed), or by the public from whom real information or discussion of alternative sites has been with-held.
2. The Falmer site is designated an area of outstanding natural beauty. Falmer village and it's surrounding areas is well used by visitors, walkers and others seeking a rural respite from town and traffic. Once developed the site will be lost forever. A modern football stadium will not blend into the rolling Downland. We know, we've been to look at new stadiums in other towns. Don't let artist's impressions of an idyllic stadium, without people, traffic or noise etc., fool you. The real thing with 20,000 to 25,000 people (35,000 at pop concerts etc.), their cars and other transport and associated problems, added to already heavy traffic in the area, will have a major negative impact on Falmer village and the rural aspect enjoyed by so many.
3. The proposed development goes against a substantial number of B&H council's own planning criteria for this site. Development on this area of outstanding natural beauty is supposed to be allowed only in the national interest and where no alternative site is available. This proposal fails those and other key criteria. Barnet FC, also in the third division, have recently been refused planning permission for a stadium (smaller than the Falmer proposal) - because of the traffic problems it would cause and because the site was in the greenbelt. Southampton FC have also been refused permission for a new stadium on a greenfield site and will now build their stadium in the centre of the town, adjacent to the railway station. Six out of nine greenfield planning applications in the last two years have failed
4. B&H already have a community stadium in Brighton, at Withdean, which is not excessively used so why do they need another? They don’t. If the football club did not need a ground a community stadium would not be on the agenda.
5. All the community benefits suggested as part of a stadium development are available at Withdean or elsewhere, or can be made available, without a stadium at Falmer. We have in the area Stanmer park for major outside events and concerts, a theatre, sports halls, gymnasiums, all weather pitches and sports fields available at two universities and two council and two private leisure centres. Falmer has more covered leisure areas than the rest of Brighton and Hove put together. How many more leisure facilities are needed in this area? Facilities should be spread and located in the communities that need them.
6. Traffic - The road access, car parking and pedestrian access to the proposed stadium, operating seven days a week, is totally inadequate. Neither B&H Albion, or B&H council, can control the long term use of the car for football matches or for the non-football events that will be required to make the stadium financially viable. Nor will seven days a week marshalling be financially viable or practical. The stadium would be less than 400 metres away from Falmer village with stadium main access at one of the busiest junctions of the A27/A270 and the Brighton bypass, and adjacent to the main entrances to two universities and a private leisure centre. To deliberately bring more traffic, on this scale, into this area, which already carries 29, 000 vehicles per day (increasing by 3-4% a year), would be extreme folly. Remember, the stadium is intended to operate seven days a week with as many major events, including,, pop concerts and similar commercial events, as possible included. Proposed changes to rail facilities are sticking plaster solutions to real problems. On current best projections rail and park and ride will not carry more than 50% of the 22,300 (35,000 for concerts) capacity, leaving 12,000 plus to arrive by car. Stadium traffic will adversely effect local roads and a wide area of East Sussex
7. The proposed 8 acre site is too small for this type of development. Of six new football stadiums (one at the planning stage) surveyed very recently the smallest site was 75 acres, with the majority of sites up to 200 acres with various commercial developments included for financial viability. All the evidence from other new stadiums suggests that further, secondary development, will be required alongside a stadium. The B&H pre-deposit local plan is already suggesting a business park at Falmer. Brighton already has business parks in the area standing half empty. Five of the sites surveyed had no rail facilities nearby, only one club was planning to build a new station on an adjacent railway line, in the future. This indicates real expected car use in the future. The other sites had 3 to 4 times the dedicated car parking intended at the Falmer site, most of which will be borrowed from the universities, if available, and at weekends only and which in any case would be totally inadequate. A solution to weekday stadium parking requirements has not been indicated. All the other sites surveyed were brownfield or ex brownfield, in line with government policy. A recent report from the government's Urban Task Force has recommended redevelopment of brownfield sites in the cities and a reduction in the use of greenfield land. Cardiff is building the new Welsh national stadium in the town centre. It expects £9 to be spent ill the town by visitors to the stadium for every £1 spent at the stadium.
8. B&H council could be getting into a financial situation that they, and the taxpayers, could live to regret, if as part of a deal for cheap council land at Falmer they join any stadium management company set up. If the Albion are not successful (they will need the average attendance of a good first division team just to pay the stadium rent and will have borrowings/debt of at least £5 million when a new stadium is opened - they are currently in the lower half of the third division and out of the FA cup) , the council and it's partners could be left with a financially loss making development - taxpayers to foot the bill. A number of the football league's lower division clubs including Portsmouth, Swindon and Crystal Palace are struggling financially and may not survive. Attendance at lower division matches will riot be helped by the continuing expansion of televised games. Southampton FC have said in recent weeks that a new stadium would not be financially viable if the club fell from the premier league to the first division.
9. A stadium at Falmer, to pay it's way, will have to compete for business with other new "Stadiums of the South" like Wembley, Reading, Basingstoke (proposed), Southampton, or Portsmouth, and with the likes of the Brighton Centre, hotels etc. along the south coast offering conference facilities, and venues for concerts and other events. Someone (and some jobs) will be losers in the competition for a finite amount of business.
alan partridge
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those pictures are hilarious!! erm, excuse me, where's the dual carriage way gone? oh and weren't there two modern university campuses around here somewhere
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Benny Seagull
Well-known member
look at their other links! one is on bat conservation. this whole thing should be a walk in falmer park.
MRRF 10
New member
so they are saying that falmer, hidden behind the hill etc.
will stand out like this
two totally different places, and two totally different designs. They have no chance of stopping us build falmer.
Bring on the bulldozers
will stand out like this
two totally different places, and two totally different designs. They have no chance of stopping us build falmer.
Bring on the bulldozers
Here we go: FalmerSupport@aol.com! Would any fans jion me in making their opinions on this subject clear?
ben andrews' girlfriend
Nurse Laura
Max's Dad
New member
Did the good people of Falmer raise similar objections to the dual carriageway, both universities and the Southern Water building?
I love walking on the Downs but believe me Falmer is already the least picturesque part of the landscape and I never venture near the place. A football stadium would be the only thing of beauty.
I love walking on the Downs but believe me Falmer is already the least picturesque part of the landscape and I never venture near the place. A football stadium would be the only thing of beauty.
Max's Dad
New member
Does this mean we're going to change our nickname to the batty boys?
its quite a built up area where i live and bats thrive in it.
also when i stayed in a hotel in kavos the balcony had a little ledge that they lived on. the balcony itself was covered in bat shite. and every other night i had to pick one up and kick it out of my room. so i dont think they have a problem with living in a area that is used by humans. unless they dont like being kicked out of their rooms at night.
also when i stayed in a hotel in kavos the balcony had a little ledge that they lived on. the balcony itself was covered in bat shite. and every other night i had to pick one up and kick it out of my room. so i dont think they have a problem with living in a area that is used by humans. unless they dont like being kicked out of their rooms at night.