Fairbrass smashed full on in face

[Prof P]

I guess what I;m saying is be openly gay by all means, but spare us all the multi-pierced Barbara Streisand drag queen open-air performances that goes along with it.[/QUOTE]


Yeah. And coloured people. Why do they feel the need to wear their hair in silly hats and build floats and have a carnival in Notting Hill? Some of them even have a funny accent for goodeness sake. I mean, they can be openly coloured by all means but spare us the Bob Marley open air performances that goes along with it.

Twat

 

[GUNTER]

He did not deserve that for a peaceful protest.

 

[itszamora]

It was a bit more than a gay pride march though, it was a protest at the lack of gay rights (or, indeed, the way things are going in Russia, any kind of civil rights for anyone), the point of which was made rather well by them all being beaten up with the blessing of the police.

 

[GUNTER]

It was a bit more than a gay pride march though, it was a protest at the lack of gay rights (or, indeed, the way things are going in Russia, any kind of civil rights for anyone), the point of which was made rather well by them all being beaten up with the blessing of the police.

Absolutely.

Unfortunately, things have not really moved on in Russia, it is still very corrupt.

 

[looney]

Theres a picture of Tatchell with Safeway on the web but you have to turn safesearch of to find it.

Tatchells cool, at least he's willing to step up to the plate for what he beleives.

 

[smudge]

But why should someone who is gay feel any more PROUD of that fact than someone who is hetro ? Strikes me its not something to feel proud OR ashamed of, it just is what it is.

If you see a couple of openly gay guys walking along the road together just enjoying their partners company, isn;t that as relevent as donning a black leather codpiece and a flourescent yellow latex t-shirt with peep-hole nipples, clambering on board a float shaped like a phallus and parading round a high street all afternoon ?

I guess what I;m saying is be openly gay by all means, but spare us all the multi-pierced Barbara Streisand drag queen open-air performances that goes along with it.

f***ing spot on.

 

[smudge]

I guess what I;m saying is be openly gay by all means, but spare us all the multi-pierced Barbara Streisand drag queen open-air performances that goes along with it.

Yeah. And coloured people. Why do they feel the need to wear their hair in silly hats and build floats and have a carnival in Notting Hill? Some of them even have a funny accent for goodeness sake. I mean, they can be openly coloured by all means but spare us the Bob Marley open air performances that goes along with it.

Twat[/QUOTE]

Yeah lets try & accuse someone of racism if you can't get the homophopbia card to stick....twat.

 

[Gritt23]

But why should someone who is gay feel any more PROUD of that fact than someone who is hetro ?

Because homosexuals have wrongly been made to feel ashamed of their sexuality for generations, which is something hetrosexuals have never faced.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I still don;t see why some feel the need to wear their sexuality on their sleeve and shout it from the rooftops though. Personally I;m fairly ambivelent to whether someone is gay or straight - why do I need to be shown what someones sexual preferences happen to be ? I kind of have the attitude of \"youre gay - so what ?\". Must I be shown someone in a pink boa teetering along in 9 inch stillettos to clock on to the fact they\'re a gay ? It just seems some people define their whole existance through their sexual preferences, and it leaves me just thinking.....whats the point ? Theres a lot more to any human being than what gender they prefer to have sex with, surely.

To hopefully spread a little enlightenment: you do get the odd gay person who likes to flounce and mince about, but in the same way that you get the odd football fan who likes to fight outside grounds and give opposing fans a shoeing, you can't define an entire demographic by that. It's easy to pick up the impression that all gay men have large moustaches and wear denim hotpants, but that's because the ones that don't, aren't visible to you, so you don't necessarily realise they're gay, you just assume they're straight. I know plenty of gay people that you'd never guess about in a million years- but then why would you? Because they don't "flaunt it", as you put it, they just quietly get on with life. They still go to Pride though.

My understanding of the whole Pride thing is this. We consider ourselves a fairly enlightened society in general, but one look at threads like this tells you that there are still plenty out there who are pretty anti. If you knew there was ONE person in your office who might give you grief because of your sexuality, would you want to come out at work about it? You'd probably, as many gay people do, keep it to yourself, or lie, rather than face people treating you differently. You probably wouldn't bring your other half to the office party, you wouldn't tell them where you were going on holiday, as people always ask who you're going with. You might be constantly keeping stuff from your own family. It all becomes a lie.

When you see a straight couple walking down the street holding hands, none of us even notice: when it's a gay couple doing the same, your brain instantly registers it as 'abnormal', whether you care or not. Who wants to be judged like that all the time?

My point is, a lot of gay men/women face stuff we don't even think about in every day life, so can we really begrudge anyone ONE day a year when they can just be "normal", hold their partner's hand in public without kids shouting abuse, hang around with friends without hiding in some Kemp Town ghetto? And yes, if it's what you like, to don a pink feather boa and a mountain of sequins? One day a year- it's hardly an imposition is it?

 

[Captain Haddock]

To hopefully spread a little enlightenment: you do get the odd gay person who likes to flounce and mince about, but in the same way that you get the odd football fan who likes to fight outside grounds and give opposing fans a shoeing, you can't define an entire demographic by that. It's easy to pick up the impression that all gay men have large moustaches and wear denim hotpants, but that's because the ones that don't, aren't visible to you, so you don't necessarily realise they're gay, you just assume they're straight. I know plenty of gay people that you'd never guess about in a million years- but then why would you? Because they don't "flaunt it", as you put it, they just quietly get on with life. They still go to Pride though.

My understanding of the whole Pride thing is this. We consider ourselves a fairly enlightened society in general, but one look at threads like this tells you that there are still plenty out there who are pretty anti. If you knew there was ONE person in your office who might give you grief because of your sexuality, would you want to come out at work about it? You'd probably, as many gay people do, keep it to yourself, or lie, rather than face people treating you differently. You probably wouldn't bring your other half to the office party, you wouldn't tell them where you were going on holiday, as people always ask who you're going with. You might be constantly keeping stuff from your own family. It all becomes a lie.

When you see a straight couple walking down the street holding hands, none of us even notice: when it's a gay couple doing the same, your brain instantly registers it as 'abnormal', whether you care or not. Who wants to be judged like that all the time?

My point is, a lot of gay men/women face stuff we don't even think about in every day life, so can we really begrudge anyone ONE day a year when they can just be "normal", hold their partner's hand in public without kids shouting abuse, hang around with friends without hiding in some Kemp Town ghetto? And yes, if it's what you like, to don a pink feather boa and a mountain of sequins? One day a year- it's hardly an imposition is it?

Although some people do OVERcamp it, it has to be said.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Although some people do OVERcamp it, it has to be said.

How can you say that!

 

[Frutos]

I know plenty of gay people, whether they flaunt it or not, who consider "Pride" and similar events to be a complete load of shite that they'd not attend this side of hell freezing over.

Not all gay people feel the need to demonstrate their sexuality to the world in that way, whether for one day a year for for 365/6. Speaking for myself, I'm comfortable with who and what I am, but I feel no need whatever to shout to the world about it. I didn't do that kind of thing when I was younger and sleeping with women, so why on Earth would I now?

I've been lucky in that, whether in NSC terms or in terms of the wider world, most people I encounter who know that I'm gay have no issue with it whatsoever, and are more than willing to treat me just the same as they would anyone else, which is prescisely what I expect and hope for from people.

My sexuality is a part of me, it doesn't define me.

 

[Easy 10]

I guess what I;m saying is be openly gay by all means, but spare us all the multi-pierced Barbara Streisand drag queen open-air performances that goes along with it.

Yeah. And coloured people. Why do they feel the need to wear their hair in silly hats and build floats and have a carnival in Notting Hill? Some of them even have a funny accent for goodeness sake. I mean, they can be openly coloured by all means but spare us the Bob Marley open air performances that goes along with it.

Twat[/QUOTE]

What you've raised here is the difference between the open celebration of a choice of sexuality, and the celebration of a race/culture. Maybe the line is blurred and an argument could be made that ANY celebration is a good celebration. I've just offered an opinion that I don't think anyone really needs to go out on parade to celebrate or advertise the fact that they prefer sex with their own gender - thats just MY opinion. Not sure whether the abuse was necessary, but then if I offer an opinion on here I don't expect everyone to agree.

Dickhead.

 

[Easy 10]

My sexuality is a part of me, it doesn't define me.

Thank you.

That is EXACTLY what I'm driving at.

 

[dougdeep]

I don't mind gays Frutos, it's people that don't drink that worry me.

 

[Easy 10]

Because homosexuals have wrongly been made to feel ashamed of their sexuality for generations, which is something hetrosexuals have never faced.

True, but is being openly gay in "normal life" with your partner just not enough then ? Does it really need the extrovert "LOOK AT ME I'M GAY !" displays ?

Maybe I'm speaking out of turn here as a hetro. But if I happened to be gay, I honestly don't think I'd be dying to tell the world by camping up and dancing on floats. Just being openly in a happy loving relationship would be enough - whats the POINT of all the posing and posturing and flaunting that so many homosexuals feel the urge to display ?

Bottom line - I just don't quite get it. (so to speak)

*shrugs*

 

[Frutos]

I don't mind gays Frutos, it's people that don't drink that worry me.

Are you attending the Tap on Friday, Mr. Deep?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

True, but is being openly gay in "normal life" with your partner just not enough then ? Does it really need the extrovert "LOOK AT ME I'M GAY !" displays ?

Maybe I'm speaking out of turn here as a hetro. But if I happened to be gay, I honestly don't think I'd be dying to tell the world by camping up and dancing on floats. Just being openly in a happy loving relationship would be enough - whats the POINT of all the posing and posturing and flaunting that so many homosexuals feel the urge to display ?

Bottom line - I just don't quite get it. (so to speak)

*shrugs*

Maybe it's just an occasional reaction, sort of a need to let it all out? The minority of gay people who camp it up is surely not a lot different in behavioural terms to a minority of straight men who feel like they need to act all macho sometimes, as if to prove their masculinity and confirm their straightness?

Most people certainly don't build their whole lives around their sexuality. I've only ever met one gay person who seemed to define herself by it, when you met her it was like "yeah, I'm xxxx, I'm gay, what are you going to do about it?" before I even knew her name, which seemed a bit unnecessary. I'm no Freud, but I suppose thinking about it, maybe it's just her psychological defence mechanism, sort of pre-empting any negative reaction?

 

[Easy 10]

Maybe it's just an occasional reaction, sort of a need to let it all out? The minority of gay people who camp it up is surely not a lot different in behavioural terms to a minority of straight men who feel like they need to act all macho sometimes, as if to prove their masculinity and confirm their straightness?

Most people certainly don't build their whole lives around their sexuality. I've only ever met one gay person who seemed to define herself by it, when you met her it was like "yeah, I'm xxxx, I'm gay, what are you going to do about it?" before I even knew her name, which seemed a bit unnecessary. I'm no Freud, but I suppose thinking about it, maybe it's just her psychological defence mechanism, sort of pre-empting any negative reaction?

Who knows, Edna.
I dunno, maybe I'm out of order. I have no concept of what it must be like to spend years of my life hiding what some might consider to be a "dirty secret". Perhaps the gay pride parades are a liberating experience. I have nothing against homosexuals whatsoever, its a lifestyle choice and whilst I don't knowingly have any gay friends, I'd have no problem with any of my current circle of friends if one of them came out (although I may raise an eyebrow if it was a married one).

But I do just find the shrieking-from-the-rooftops pink boa brigade a bit nauseating. Not because they're gay, but because they're so determined to flaunt it as if anyone else gives a toss.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I have nothing against homosexuals whatsoever, its a lifestyle choice .

Can understand where you're coming from, I don't think you're particularly out of order, and I genuinely don't think the majority feel the need to flaunt it.

The only thing I marginally disagree about is the lifestyle choice (assuming you mean the choice to be gay or not, as opposed to the sequins or no-sequins decision) as I've met plenty of people, who, while they're quite comfortable with who they are, if they could live their lives again and had any choice in the matter, would choose to be straight, simply because life is easier when you can blend into the crowd.

No matter how we think we've moved on from Oscar Wilde's day, "gay" still has negative connotations, witness any school playground, or away ground where we play at.

Good god, it's 2115 on a Tuesday evening and we're having a sensible discussion on here, what the hell's going on?