FA cup allocation

[hans kraay fan club]

Manchester United refer City to the FA in dispute over Cup tickets | Football | The Guardian

I think it's a tit-for-tat measure.

But, I also understand the 15% is easily circumvented on the grounds of safety. Most clubs have an all-too cosey relationship with the board which decides these things. In fact didnt we under-supply FC United of Manchester on some bizarre safety reason? I seem to recall the reasoning we gave seemed to contradict other higher profile and category games.

Correct.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So Arsenal are obliged to offer 9,054 tickets, but Manchester United can offer fewer?

Sake.

This would appear to be the case but as I point out above, it is a very easy rule to circumvent. Just trot out a H&S reason and you're fine...normal rules do not apply.

 

[Fungus]

Not necessarily, as it's subject to segregation.

Rascist

 

[Superphil]

I think it's a tit-for-tat measure. .

Not reallt Tit for Tat, United have a dispensation regardless of who they are playing, City don't, simple. The noisy neighbours don't seem to understand or accept that they are simply the flavour of the month right now. Once they've actually acheived something, then they might be in a position to make demands, have a dispensation of their own, until then they should concentrate on impressing everyone on the pitch, prove they have what it takes to be top drawer. One swallow does not a summer make.

 

[Perkino]

It's to do with the safe segregation, that's why we didn't have to give FCUM 15% but had to swap the family stand against Pompey. It was believed that the FCUM supports would be a bunch of scumbag animals and couldn't be that close to humans safely

 

[Storer 68]

Manchester United refer City to the FA in dispute over Cup tickets | Football | The Guardian

I think it's a tit-for-tat measure.

But, I also understand the 15% is easily circumvented on the grounds of safety. Most clubs have an all-too cosey relationship with the board which decides these things. In fact didnt we under-supply FC United of Manchester on some bizarre safety reason? I seem to recall the reasoning we gave seemed to contradict other higher profile and category games.

No we sold them the full allocation. which admittedly at Withers was not very many.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

No we sold them the full allocation. which admittedly at Withers was not very many.

No we didn't. We gave them the usual away end (900), which is significantly less than 15% of Withdean capacity.

 

[Superseagull69]

So, United have a special dispensation to only offer 11% of their ground for FA Cup games, City don't. Are we seeing City turning into the new United then, refusing to follow the rules of the FA when it suits them? The FA is gutless, spinelss and powerless if it can't enforce this simple and long standing rule. The Premier League teams are getting to the point where they are running, and ruining, the beautiful game in this country, what is the point of the FA anymore?

Throwing the book at non prem clubs who suffer at the hands of Dodgy Referees.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No we didn't. We gave them the usual away end (900), which is significantly less than 15% of Withdean capacity.

This is correct. I remember all the fall out from this on this site and theirs.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It's to do with the safe segregation, that's why we didn't have to give FCUM 15% but had to swap the family stand against Pompey. It was believed that the FCUM supports would be a bunch of scumbag animals and couldn't be that close to humans safely

It was ostensibly to do with safe segregation but all the time the boards which makes these decisions are way too close to their respective clubs it will be open to abuse and/or a conflict of interests.

 

[drew]

The FA Cup increases round by round. I know when we got to the final in '03, Wolves had pretty much the whole of the Northam.

Not reallt Tit for Tat, United have a dispensation regardless of who they are playing, City don't, simple. The noisy neighbours don't seem to understand or accept that they are simply the flavour of the month right now. Once they've actually acheived something, then they might be in a position to make demands, have a dispensation of their own, until then they should concentrate on impressing everyone on the pitch, prove they have what it takes to be top drawer. One swallow does not a summer make.

There is no reason why Utd should have the dispensation in the first place and that is probably the point City are making so yes it is tit for tat. I think your comments betray your allegience, blatantly.

 

[Birdie Boy]

There is no reason why Utd should have the dispensation in the first place and that is probably the point City are making so yes it is tit for tat. I think your comments betray your allegience, blatantly.

Away fans are allocated the South/East corner at OT and I am wondering if United have asked for this section and only this section to be allocated to away fans, which would be approx 11.5% of the total gate. In return, they allow away clubs to have the 8,500 (11.5%) allocation for PL and League Cup games, which they could lower under the 10% rule. ALL clubs take a large following away to OT and I suspect it is sold out every home game.

This is only a guess and in no way has it been confirmed as fact.

 

[Superphil]

There is no reason why Utd should have the dispensation in the first place and that is probably the point City are making so yes it is tit for tat. I think your comments betray your allegience, blatantly.

Dispensation - An exemption or release from an obligation or rule, granted by or as if by an authority.

So you think the FA would give a dispensation for no reason? I know the FA are shoddy, but giving dispensations for no reason, I doubt it. What you mean is, you don't like the reason (if indeed you know the reason) they have a dispensation.

As for my allegience, what? really? I'm a Brighton fan, I have been for a long time, not sure why putting across a point about another teams goings on should suggest I have any kind of allegience to them, one way or another. I just don't see why Manchester Uniteds totally valid complaint is being used as an excuse to slag them off, it's so boring.

Blatantly I disagree with the stance City have taken, but that's the only blatant bit about what I've said.

 

[ManxSeagull]

Away fans are allocated the South/East corner at OT and I am wondering if United have asked for this section and only this section to be allocated to away fans, which would be approx 11.5% of the total gate. In return, they allow away clubs to have the 8,500 (11.5%) allocation for PL and League Cup games, which they could lower under the 10% rule. ALL clubs take a large following away to OT and I suspect it is sold out every home game.

This is only a guess and in no way has it been confirmed as fact.

From memory United only allow 3,000 fans for home league games.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Wasn't there something about clubs being given reduced away allocations as punishment for persistent standing in seated areas? Perhaps City have cited that one, as United were definitely one of the clubs picked out as being regular offenders.

 

[Superphil]

Wasn't there something about clubs being given reduced away allocations as punishment for persistent standing in seated areas? Perhaps City have cited that one, as United were definitely one of the clubs picked out as being regular offenders.

I'm being blatant again

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[drew]

Dispensation - An exemption or release from an obligation or rule, granted by or as if by an authority.

So you think the FA would give a dispensation for no reason? I know the FA are shoddy, but giving dispensations for no reason, I doubt it. What you mean is, you don't like the reason (if indeed you know the reason) they have a dispensation.

As for my allegience, what? really? I'm a Brighton fan, I have been for a long time, not sure why putting across a point about another teams goings on should suggest I have any kind of allegience to them, one way or another. I just don't see why Manchester Uniteds totally valid complaint is being used as an excuse to slag them off, it's so boring.

Blatantly I disagree with the stance City have taken, but that's the only blatant bit about what I've said.

Whatever the reason, which I don't know, why does it only apply to OT and not other grounds. If it is on H & S reasons then no dispensation should have been needed as according to other posters, the 15% can be circumvented on those grounds anyway. Someone else said that they give the south easts corner to away fans for all games so in the league the away fans get 11% instead of the usual 10% however that means bugger all to the fans of any club that draws Utd in the cup and doesn't play them in the league.

As for my comments re your allegience, I have no doubt that you are first and foremost a Albion fan but there are plenty that have second allegiences to prem clubs and your ref to noisy neighbours and the fact that you didn't give any justification as to why MU have that dispensation suggest you don't like MC.

 

[Superphil]

I don't know that facts as to why Manchester United have a dispensation, and I don't want to guess or speculate, if anyone does know the reason, perhaps they could let us know (the facts, not idle gossip, guesses or speculation).

It is true, I really don't like City, at the moment. I love watching them play, but the whole demeaner of how they have gone about getting there is what I don't like. I also dislike Chelsea for much the same reason, and can also lay a dislike at the feet of Blackburn, Leeds and Newcastle, all of whom have tried to buy success in a quite obscene way. Teams like Liverpool, United, Barcelona, Real Madrid, the Milan twins, Munchen etc have all spent money over the years, but they have earned it too, they have history, class, pedigree and ambition, you might think I'm just jealous, not really, I just don't like the way clubs like City have used money as a shortcut to buy success.

BTW, if I have a second team/Prem team, it is Wigan or QPR, blue and white, see?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I don't know that facts as to why Manchester United have a dispensation, and I don't want to guess or speculate, if anyone does know the reason, perhaps they could let us know (the facts, not idle gossip, guesses or speculation).

According to the Guardian it is on the grounds that they have the biggest stadium in the country. This is all the paper said, so given the ruling was brought in to ensure visiting clubs got enough tickets I can only presume they and the FA feel that 8500 is enough tickets for any set of away fans.