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[Other Sport] F1 2022



Audax

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Aug 3, 2015
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How much gamesmanship do you reckon goes into these launches? i.e. do they potentially have false parts they put on just for the launch that are materially different to the parts they actually intend to test in March just to throw the opposition a curve ball.

A fair bit of gamesmanship, but usually more around trying to hide what they're really up to. They'll be using under-developed early iteration parts, things like suspension won't be the definitive final spec, they'll probably hide as much as possible how they've designed the entry and exit to their venturi tunnels etc etc.

Our first really good look at what each team is up to will come with photos from the Barcelona test, but even there I doubt we'll be seeing much that's definitive. They'll hold that back for the Bahrain test.

Even last season, when so much of the cars were carried over from the previous year, we saw things like how the teams chose to handle the new floor shape rules (with that angled cut away), the definitive solutions from the rich teams weren't shown until late enough that other teams couldn't copy/adapt the ideas until a few races into the season.

This year they may find it harder, in that the rules package is *so* different to previous years that they can't just whack on last year's front wing, for example (teams have been known to do that before).

The talk is that there's two design approaches that stand out and teams will be following one or the other. One approach is simpler, more likely to produce good early results, but less likely to have high potential for development through the season. The other is more complicated, therefore more likely to be a problem in the early season, but the long term potential is higher.
 




Audax

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Red Bull have been gazumped ... by Haas. They'll be doing an online-only reveal tomorrow. Expect it to be renders only and far from the finished product, but still ... it'll be the first 2022 car/livery we see. Leaves just Williams yet to announce. In previous years, theirs has just turned up on the cover of a magazine - often then posted online days before they actually intended it.

Updated calendar:

Pre-Season Schedule

4 February - Haas - 11am
9 February - Red Bull
10 February - Aston Martin
11 February - McLaren
14 February - Alpha Tauri
17 February - Ferrari
18 February - Mercedes
21 February - Alpine
23-25 February - Barcelona test days
27 February - Alfa Romeo
TBA - Williams
10-12 March - Bahrain test days
18-20 March - FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX 2022
 


Bold Seagull

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Red Bull have been gazumped ... by Haas. They'll be doing an online-only reveal tomorrow. Expect it to be renders only and far from the finished product, but still ... it'll be the first 2022 car/livery we see. Leaves just Williams yet to announce. In previous years, theirs has just turned up on the cover of a magazine - often then posted online days before they actually intended it.

Updated calendar:

Pre-Season Schedule

4 February - Haas - 11am
9 February - Red Bull
10 February - Aston Martin
11 February - McLaren
14 February - Alpha Tauri
17 February - Ferrari
18 February - Mercedes
21 February - Alpine
23-25 February - Barcelona test days
27 February - Alfa Romeo
TBA - Williams
10-12 March - Bahrain test days
18-20 March - FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX 2022

Which year did Williams not even have a finished car to show and ended up sacking Paddy Lowe?
 


Audax

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Which year did Williams not even have a finished car to show and ended up sacking Paddy Lowe?

Um. Not sure, would have to look it up. Was a few years back now IIRC. Last year they tried to launch it using augmented reality, but hackers got into it and renders of the car were revealed ahead of time as a result.
 








Audax

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Haas have confirmed that the renders they've released from today are from an earlier development version of the car - the one that rolls out at Barcelona will have differences. Even so, there's some very interesting points of difference between the Haas car and the previous FIA-produced "concept" car(s).

The most obvious of these is when you look at the top-down view of the car. The Haas sidepods are a little further forward, wider at their widest point, but narrow very quickly - unlike the FIA cars where the sidepods tapered away towards the rear. The front air inlets in the sidepods are also very different, with the Haas inlets noticeably narrower. The tip of the Haas nose is also different - being lower to the wing as well as squared off.
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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Um. Not sure, would have to look it up. Was a few years back now IIRC. Last year they tried to launch it using augmented reality, but hackers got into it and renders of the car were revealed ahead of time as a result.

Okay checked, 2019 car was late to testing, I think they actually missed some sessions, then when it did test it was worse than 2018, which was crap anyway. Lowe basically sacked as a result. Think the episode was covered on the Netflix F1 series for that year.
 




Audax

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Williams now confirmed their car launch for Feb 15th. Red Bull up next, tomorrow at 4pm. That will be the first of 3 in 3 days leading into the weekend, then next week sees 4 car launches.

Updated calendar:

Pre-Season Schedule

4 February - Haas - 11am
9 February - Red Bull - 4pm
10 February - Aston Martin
11 February - McLaren
14 February - Alpha Tauri
15 February - Williams - 1pm
17 February - Ferrari
18 February - Mercedes
21 February - Alpine
23-25 February - Barcelona test days
27 February - Alfa Romeo
10-12 March - Bahrain test days
18-20 March - FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX 2022

In other news, big change at Ferrari: their partnership with Phillip Morris (Marlboro) has officially come to an end. This ensures no more attempts to bypass the anti-ciggie sponsorship rules (no more green Mission Winnow logo!). New partner announced as Qualcomm, who'll be pushing their Snapdragon brand. Logo will be on the car, it's red/white, so we may see some white return to the Ferrari livery (last seen in any large quantity in 2016).
 


schmunk

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In other news, big change at Ferrari: their partnership with Phillip Morris (Marlboro) has officially come to an end. This ensures no more attempts to bypass the anti-ciggie sponsorship rules (no more green Mission Winnow logo!). New partner announced as Qualcomm, who'll be pushing their Snapdragon brand. Logo will be on the car, it's red/white, so we may see some white return to the Ferrari livery (last seen in any large quantity in 2016).
That's a shame, I'll rather miss the Mission Winnits logo...
 






zefarelly

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Red Bull have been gazumped ... by Haas. They'll be doing an online-only reveal tomorrow. Expect it to be renders only and far from the finished product, but still ... it'll be the first 2022 car/livery we see. Leaves just Williams yet to announce. In previous years, theirs has just turned up on the cover of a magazine - often then posted online days before they actually intended it.

Updated calendar:

Pre-Season Schedule

4 February - Haas - 11am
9 February - Red Bull
10 February - Aston Martin
11 February - McLaren
14 February - Alpha Tauri
17 February - Ferrari
18 February - Mercedes
21 February - Alpine
23-25 February - Barcelona test days
27 February - Alfa Romeo
TBA - Williams
10-12 March - Bahrain test days
18-20 March - FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX 2022

Nothing vaguely interesting until April then. :rolleyes:
 


Audax

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Aug 3, 2015
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Good to see Lewis back on social media and training with his PT Angela - fingers crossed that locks him in for the new season.

I see Masi is trending on Twitter again this morning after further evidence of the overly cosy relationship between Red Bull and the FIA Race Director that ultimately led to the infamous safety car restart has come out: https://twitter.com/F1_Jordan/status/1491184614345707520

Nothing new in that, that radio convo was public ages ago. Wolff was also lobbying strongly through that safety car (and also on the radio lobbying against a safety car earlier in the race). It's why there's been changes to the rules around contact with the race director (whoever that will be) this year that precludes direct contact (and also bans the team principals completely).



In other news, Lando has committed to an extended contract with McLaren through the 2025 season. So that locks him in (as much as that can be said in F1) to McLaren through the current Concorde Agreement period and means he won't be on the market again until the new engine rules for 2026.
 


zefarelly

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Nothing new in that, that radio convo was public ages ago. Wolff was also lobbying strongly through that safety car (and also on the radio lobbying against a safety car earlier in the race). It's why there's been changes to the rules around contact with the race director (whoever that will be) this year that precludes direct contact (and also bans the team principals completely).



In other news, Lando has committed to an extended contract with McLaren through the 2025 season. So that locks him in (as much as that can be said in F1) to McLaren through the current Concorde Agreement period and means he won't be on the market again until the new engine rules for 2026.

Which should never have been allowed in the forst place.

the only person speaking to the race director should be race officials and or stewards.

Masi should be washing gravel traps, by hand
 




Audax

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Nothing vaguely interesting until April then. :rolleyes:

Depends on your outlook. Bahrain will be a very interesting test of how the new rules affect the ability of the cars to follow each other. If the rules are even close to achieving what they're aiming for, we could see what has historically been a bit of a boring race transformed. Will also be the first real test of what the new competitive order will be like - keeping in mind that last year Mercedes looked to be in a lot of trouble during testing but ultimately arrived at race 1 having resolved whatever it was well enough to challenge for the titles from race 1.

Saudi Arabia for race 2 on the last weekend of March. That was interesting last year for all the wrong reasons. They're making some tweaks to the track to try to improve sight lines through some of the corners and better accommodate the natural racing lines the cars take. Should provide at minimum an interesting early-season comparison of the differences between 2021 and 2022 cars.
 


Audax

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Which should never have been allowed in the forst place.

the only person speaking to the race director should be race officials and or stewards.

Masi should be washing gravel traps, by hand

Agreed, it was a mistake, they've admitted it was a mistake, and moved rapidly to fix it. At the moment, it does appear that the new head of the FIA is at least moving in the right direction. Remains to be seen how far, but some of the rumours I've seen suggest that he's at least aware of the problems and seeking to make sensible changes.
 


JackB247

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Nothing new in that, that radio convo was public ages ago. Wolff was also lobbying strongly through that safety car (and also on the radio lobbying against a safety car earlier in the race). It's why there's been changes to the rules around contact with the race director (whoever that will be) this year that precludes direct contact (and also bans the team principals completely).


I personally had only heard the Christian Horner one more lap remark and not this exchange between Wheatley and Masi. You can hear from it that Masi not only follows Wheatley's suggested approach in terms of getting the lapped cars through and not letting them catch up, but also repeated Wheatley's let's have a motor race comment to Wolff after the chequered flag. Just shows you how in Red Bull's pocket he was. I'm pleased to see the change in the rules you point too but it unfortunately can't wipe the fact that they directly contributed to a manipulated last lap of the 2021 Championship.
 






zefarelly

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Depends on your outlook. Bahrain will be a very interesting test of how the new rules affect the ability of the cars to follow each other. If the rules are even close to achieving what they're aiming for, we could see what has historically been a bit of a boring race transformed. Will also be the first real test of what the new competitive order will be like - keeping in mind that last year Mercedes looked to be in a lot of trouble during testing but ultimately arrived at race 1 having resolved whatever it was well enough to challenge for the titles from race 1.

Saudi Arabia for race 2 on the last weekend of March. That was interesting last year for all the wrong reasons. They're making some tweaks to the track to try to improve sight lines through some of the corners and better accommodate the natural racing lines the cars take. Should provide at minimum an interesting early-season comparison of the differences between 2021 and 2022 cars.

My outlook is quite different . . .I'm a bit meh about F1

changing the circuit to suit the cars/drivers merely takes away the challenge. and ruins the circuits for everyone else. . . .Sillystone is a great example. raced there in 2008 @ the GP meeting. Abbey. and Bridge.

give me Spa circa 2000 any day.
 
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Audax

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Aug 3, 2015
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My outlook is quite different . . .I'm a bit meh about F1

changing the circuit to suit the cars/drivers merely takes away the challenge. and ruins the circuits for everyone else. . . .Sillystone is a great example. raced there in 2008 @ the GP meeting. Abbey. and Bridge.

give me Spa circa 2000 any day.

Saudi is a special case - the track mods are almost entirely for safety reasons. In particular the line of sight changes - they found that some areas the line of sight was so short that avoiding incidents would have been impossible. They got lucky there was no big multi-car incident last time around.
 


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