examples of people that wouldnt be as famous(idolised) now if they were alive

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Jeff Buckley?

no.

hes not rated as highly as he should be anyway. his stuff was phenominal. and i reckon idf he had stayed aliive he would have had more hits and been more famous. just my opinion, like

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

He was considered a hero for calling the Russian's bluff. They had to withdraw their nuclear missiles from Cuba.

but its not a common knowledge thing.

if you went to a 15 year old, hey lets even say most 18 year olds and said what did king do you will be told

if you said what did jfk do? ''uuummm he got shot?''

 

[Biscuit]

JFK was already looked up to for standing up to the Russians over the Cuban missile crisis and Martin Luther King for the civil rights movement.
They would have been thought of in a similar way to Nelson Mandela now.

Totally agree.

I think I idolise Lennon because of his music and his impact on my life personally. Although I often wonder, had he lived, would I still heroworship him the way I do..

the answer is always the same, and its always yes.

 

[Yorkie]

but its not a common knowledge thing.

if you went to a 15 year old, hey lets even say most 18 year olds and said what did king do you will be told

if you said what did jfk do? ''uuummm he got shot?''

That's because the schools aren't teaching modern history (I presume they are stopping at the Second World War still?)

I was one of those that lived through those weeks when the whole world held it's breath and we all knew about the 4 minute warning (if a nuclear bomb was heading your way a siren would give you 4 mins to live or die)

 

[bigc]

It wasn't as simple as him standing up to the russians, it's a rather black and white view of history with him as a goodie and Khruschev as a baddie.

Had he lived and (probably) got involved in Vietnam, it would have been a fairly different story.

 

[Biscuit]

but thats just it.. when people are seen as being taken in their prime, JFK, Lennon, Cobain, Luther King then they are forever held in the esteme they had achieved at the time of their death.

 

[Yorkie]

It wasn't as simple as him standing up to the russians, it's a rather black and white view of history with him as a goodie and Khruschev as a baddie.

Had he lived and (probably) got involved in Vietnam, it would have been a fairly different story.

Maybe but then we don't know whether he would have put troops into French Indo China (as it was called then)

 

[bigc]

I'm sure the same advisors would have convinced him of the merits just as much as they convinced LBJ.

 

[Yorkie]

I'm sure the same advisors would have convinced him of the merits just as much as they convinced LBJ.

True but JFK had already shown he was his own man instead of being led by advisors.
Maybe that's why he was shot.

 

[Fungus]

Jesus?

If a 2000 year-old man was wandering around, I just might start believing. Especially if his dad put in an appearance too.

 

[Les Biehn]

Never got hero worship. Admired people but just don't get the whole putting them up on a pedestal thing.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

That's because the schools aren't teaching modern history (I presume they are stopping at the Second World War still?)

I was one of those that lived through those weeks when the whole world held it's breath and we all knew about the 4 minute warning (if a nuclear bomb was heading your way a siren would give you 4 mins to live or die)

Ah yes, I've seen the TV information films.

When the 4 minute warning sounds to advise you a nuclear attack is on the way, prop a wooden board at a 45 degree angle to the wall, and hide underneath it.

Must have been tremendously reassuring to know

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I'm with Yorkie on the JFK thing. His outwitting of Khruschev on the Cuban missile crisis was especially striking when account is taken of the previous Bay of Pigs episode, where Kennedy discovered that the US military was capable of ignoring the President - at great peril to the wellbeing and security of the nation. Kennedy's re-establishment of presidential control paved the way for many of the domestic reforms that followed him - particularly on the Civil Rights front.

His period as president wiped away the repression of the 1950s and ushered in a period of US government when the principles of liberal democracy got a look in.

His reputation as a great president doesn't just hang on the fact that he was killed.

 

[DJ Leon]

I agree strongly with you about Kurt Cobain, despite my love of Nirvana, he was never a 'rock god' as so many people have labelled him.

He was labeled the 'voice of a generation' before he died. He was universally seen as one the most important musicians of the previous ten years (before he died).

Like Elvis, as someone else mentioned earlier, he was actually a lot more famous BEFORE he died, which is surely the criteria for judging this. So I would agree with Jeff Buckley, Nick Drake too. Tupac and the dead rappers too.

And Jesus is a given.

 

[Les Biehn]

Jeff Buckley, I just never got it. Whinging, boring, over long. My ex girlfriends flat mate was a right pretentious navel gazer and used to do things like sit there crying to Jeff Buckley thinking it was really profound. Just about summed it up for me.

 

[Pork Sword]

Fred West.

What a hero

 

[Barrel of Fun]

If a 2000 year-old man was wandering around, I just might start believing. Especially if his dad put in an appearance too.

Gabriel? That rascal knocked Mary up and got away with it! Joseph must have been a bit dense to believe that it really was an immaculate conception! How many people would fall for that nowadays!?

 

[Les Biehn]

Actually Bud White is probably my only hero.

 

[Les Biehn]

Gabriel? That rascal knocked Mary up and got away with it! Joseph must have been a bit dense to believe that it really was an immaculate conception! How many people would fall for that nowadays!?

Half of White Hawk.

 

[Chicken Run]

The Rt Hon John Smith