Machiavelli
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I clearly have. And for Newcastle. And for Spurs. And for England.You've clearly not seen some of the goals Gazza scored for Lazio.
I clearly have. And for Newcastle. And for Spurs. And for England.You've clearly not seen some of the goals Gazza scored for Lazio.
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English Centre backs that over the years I have had fans of on twitter swearing are much better than Lewis Dunk.
Sure there’s more of them.
Bellingham is much, much better than the heights Gascoigne reached.
Yes, he is.He's already one of the best players in the world.
I clearly have. And for Newcastle. And for Spurs. And for England.
This all day long, it is plain for everyone to see this is the way forward if England want to move to the next level and win something.It is scary to think how a national team manager could overlook a player of Dunks ability for so long when you think of those that have been used.
The whole dynamic of the England attacks last night were transformed by Dunks incisive passing,I can't remember anyone else playing CB for England doing this,I could be wrong but I simply can't remember, it's not beyond the realms of possibility Southgate picks Maguire next month and if he does play him over Dunk then he's certainly not fit for his job.
Well played Dunky.
People have probably forgotten he was part of Poyet's team that played possession football, or that Gus gave him his debut up at Milton Keynes."He was always regarded as a bit of a bruising centre-back, great at defending his box and not much else."
Lines like that annoy me and you see it a lot. I posted the other day about the misperception many fans had/have of Dunk due to their first being introduced to him in the Hughton years in the PL. But did no one watch him in the Championship? And even when heading, blocking and clearing was his MO alongside Duffy in the top flight, it was plain to see he had the passing ability.
Not sure nice is the word.It would be nice to have a list of centre backs with the number of caps Waistcoat has given them. Leaving Dunk out for some of his choices has been unforgivable.
It was in the 65th minute. So if you go to about 64:30 you won't be too far away.This. What time was it roughly?
Wasn't his man though. If you watch it again Rice lets him go.I thought Dunk was superb, dominant and will improve with a run of games….BUT a better header from McGinn would have made it 2-2 and the outcome could have been very different. Luckily for Dunk McGinn is Scottish.
I think the issue is a lot of English fans haven't seen what Bellingham did for Dortmund.
If you've got a bit longer:
And that's all as a teenager, playing multiple positions, sometimes as captain for one of the biggest teams in Europe.
Gazza's best league goal return was 9. Bellingham got 8 last season and has 5 in 4 games already for Madrid. It's hard to compare players but I'd back JB to have a bigger impact and certainly more longevity.
Yes, a player to build a team around for a decade!Judging by his maturity and seemingly being well advised, Bellingham will almost certainly have a much bigger impact and longevity than Gazza. Have to remember however that peak Gazza was literally a 4 week period in the summer of 1990 and he was an absolute joy to watch. And although he had a decent season with Spurs straight after, the distractions of fame and that knee injury meant it was neve replicated over the long-term.
If Bellingham can match the level Gazza reached in 1990 over the course of the next 5 tournaments, then us England fans are in for a treat.
Stones has an excellent range and is forward thinking. We missed Stones as much as Dunk in Poland. Objectively Stones is our best CB but we all know Lewis is the next off the rank.It is scary to think how a national team manager could overlook a player of Dunks ability for so long when you think of those that have been used.
The whole dynamic of the England attacks last night were transformed by Dunks incisive passing,I can't remember anyone else playing CB for England doing this,I could be wrong but I simply can't remember, it's not beyond the realms of possibility Southgate picks Maguire next month and if he does play him over Dunk then he's certainly not fit for his job.
Well played Dunky.