Ejections and standing at Southampton away

[poidy]

It's on TV. It's a high profile match. Southampton have a reputation to maintain. Why not just do what you are supposed to do? We have had the discussion about the legalities and the fact that you will find yourself outside very quickly. It's not rocket science. You will have stewards in position all around you for the whole match - not just to make sure you do as you are supposed to but to protect you from the idiots in the Northam and to protect you from the idiots you bring with you. If you can't behave, then save yourself the effort and stay at home, it really is very simple.

Try this test...

Do you understand that you are subject to legal Ground Regulations when you buy a ticket?
Do you understand that the club has the final right to eject you if you breach any of the regulations?
Do you understand that an ejection will lead to prosecution and a banning order?
Do you understand that even if you think you have got away with it you will have CCTV camera trained on you for the whole of the match and Southampton and Brighton will be liaising to spot the idiots and serve them after the match?

It's very simple. Why not try the novel idea of going to the match, behaving like an adult, and enjoying it rather than trying to show what a "webel" you are by standing up? Trust me, you look a lot less cool when you are being led out begging to be allowed to stay with your mates.

Its not about being a 'webel' as you so elegantly put it. For the record im a law abiding citizen in a well respected job. My only crime being my desire to stand up at a football match. Now in the grand scheme of things this is really small fry.

I understand you have a job to do however you tell me what was wrong with last season when everyone decided to stand? Absolutely nothing is the answer.

Tragedys such as Hillsborough didnt happen because people were standing up. They happened because too many people where admitted into the stand resulting in overcrowding.

Its about time stewards began to apply some common sense, alternatively get a proper job

 

[poidy]

Sit down when the stewards tell you so it looks like you they are doing their jobs, everyone will be standing a minute later anyway. It's not difficult.

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[Ninja Elephant]

I was there recently with Rochdale, and the stewards attempted to get them all to sit down but were firmly rebuffed and gave up very quickly, but if you'd seen the chaps who rebuffed them... you would also give up very quickly.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Its not about being a 'webel' as you so elegantly put it. For the record im a law abiding citizen in a well respected job. My only crime being my desire to stand up at a football match. Now in the grand scheme of things this is really small fry.

I understand you have a job to do however you tell me what was wrong with last season when everyone decided to stand? Absolutely nothing is the answer.

Tragedys such as Hillsborough didnt happen because people were standing up. They happened because too many people where admitted into the stand resulting in overcrowding.

Its about time stewards began to apply some common sense, alternatively get a proper job

Do you think stewarding is a full time job? Hm. It's part time and poorly paid - I just help train the buggers. We have students and retirees working there, St Mary's was voted the best ground for safety and the ground with the best stewards last year amongst all the League teams. Coping with the occasional idiot is really not a problem because they just get ejected, the law is explained to them (again) and they are sent on their merry way with a banning order.

If you really want to get into crowd psychology then take a read in the other thread where we started to chat about it. It's about more than Hillsborough, although that was clearly the legal catalyst for change. Can you remember the reaction of Ken Bates who wanted to electrify the fences at Stamford Bridge at the time?! We have to apply common sense for EVERYONE, not just the occasional person who decides that it's still the 80s and they have a right to stand. Legally, you don't. It's that simple. If you do not comply with a lawful request then you can be arrested - I am sure your well respected job would appreciate that! Why can't you simply be sensible and watch the match rather than trying to pretend that you can't watch football without standing up? When they banned drinking and smoking people said it wasn't the same - funnily enough, they still go.

Let the guys do their job, sit down when it's not exciting, stand up when it is, and leave at the end of 90 (plus time added on). Wandering the streets around St Mary's waiting for your mates is not much fun, especially for an away fan!

 

[Hiney]

Yes, the only reason you could stand the time before is that it was on tv. I got thrown out for standing the first time we went to st mary's, along with many others and for this reason I'll never go there again.

Are you actually not going to go because you were thrown out a few years ago?

That's a bit childish isn't it?

 

[Notters]

Are you actually not going to go because you were thrown out a few years ago?

That's a bit childish isn't it?

No. I'm not going because I like to stand and make a noise at footy.

It's the same when I go to gigs; I wouldn't bother going to see Pearl Jam or British Sea Power if you could only get seated tickets - it would be crap.

 

[Notters]

Do you think stewarding is a full time job? Hm. It's part time and poorly paid - I just help train the buggers. We have students and retirees working there, St Mary's was voted the best ground for safety and the ground with the best stewards last year amongst all the League teams. Coping with the occasional idiot is really not a problem because they just get ejected, the law is explained to them (again) and they are sent on their merry way with a banning order.

If you really want to get into crowd psychology then take a read in the other thread where we started to chat about it. It's about more than Hillsborough, although that was clearly the legal catalyst for change. Can you remember the reaction of Ken Bates who wanted to electrify the fences at Stamford Bridge at the time?! We have to apply common sense for EVERYONE, not just the occasional person who decides that it's still the 80s and they have a right to stand. Legally, you don't. It's that simple. If you do not comply with a lawful request then you can be arrested - I am sure your well respected job would appreciate that! Why can't you simply be sensible and watch the match rather than trying to pretend that you can't watch football without standing up? When they banned drinking and smoking people said it wasn't the same - funnily enough, they still go.

Let the guys do their job, sit down when it's not exciting, stand up when it is, and leave at the end of 90 (plus time added on). Wandering the streets around St Mary's waiting for your mates is not much fun, especially for an away fan!

If everyone just obeyed all laws we'd be in a police state before you know it. Laws are made to protect the majority.

 

[Sam Ovett]

It's on TV. It's a high profile match. Southampton have a reputation to maintain. Why not just do what you are supposed to do? We have had the discussion about the legalities and the fact that you will find yourself outside very quickly. It's not rocket science. You will have stewards in position all around you for the whole match - not just to make sure you do as you are supposed to but to protect you from the idiots in the Northam and to protect you from the idiots you bring with you. If you can't behave, then save yourself the effort and stay at home, it really is very simple.

Try this test...

Do you understand that you are subject to legal Ground Regulations when you buy a ticket?
Do you understand that the club has the final right to eject you if you breach any of the regulations?
Do you understand that an ejection will lead to prosecution and a banning order?
Do you understand that even if you think you have got away with it you will have CCTV camera trained on you for the whole of the match and Southampton and Brighton will be liaising to spot the idiots and serve them after the match?

It's very simple. Why not try the novel idea of going to the match, behaving like an adult, and enjoying it rather than trying to show what a "webel" you are by standing up? Trust me, you look a lot less cool when you are being led out begging to be allowed to stay with your mates.

It is on TV?!?

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

No. I'm not going because I like to stand and make a noise at footy.

It's the same when I go to gigs; I wouldn't bother going to see Pearl Jam or British Sea Power if you could only get seated tickets - it would be crap.

...and tickets at football grounds are all seated! If you don't want to sit, then don't buy the tickets - it really is that simple.

 

[Husty]

Do you think stewarding is a full time job? Hm. It's part time and poorly paid - I just help train the buggers. We have students and retirees working there, St Mary's was voted the best ground for safety and the ground with the best stewards last year amongst all the League teams. Coping with the occasional idiot is really not a problem because they just get ejected, the law is explained to them (again) and they are sent on their merry way with a banning order.

If you really want to get into crowd psychology then take a read in the other thread where we started to chat about it. It's about more than Hillsborough, although that was clearly the legal catalyst for change. Can you remember the reaction of Ken Bates who wanted to electrify the fences at Stamford Bridge at the time?! We have to apply common sense for EVERYONE, not just the occasional person who decides that it's still the 80s and they have a right to stand. Legally, you don't. It's that simple. If you do not comply with a lawful request then you can be arrested - I am sure your well respected job would appreciate that! Why can't you simply be sensible and watch the match rather than trying to pretend that you can't watch football without standing up? When they banned drinking and smoking people said it wasn't the same - funnily enough, they still go.

Let the guys do their job, sit down when it's not exciting, stand up when it is, and leave at the end of 90 (plus time added on). Wandering the streets around St Mary's waiting for your mates is not much fun, especially for an away fan!

God it's people like you I f***ing hate, the whole point of stewards is to improve and enhance peoples experience by making sure they are safe e.t.c. e.t.c.

It is not an excuse for some egotistical wanker to go on a power trip for an afternoon, you THINK that your helping people by ejecting people for standing but your not are you? Your doing it because you love the power and the feeling of ruining someones day. if they are getting aggressive, very drunk then whatever chuck them out but all your doing by booting out people who are standing is ruining their day, it is not any safer, and in a situation like it will be at saint marys where there is room to move about, NO ONE will be getting upset about having to stand because there is plentiful room to move about.

Despite what you may think in your completely deluded head, YOU are the problem, not US

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

If everyone just obeyed all laws we'd be in a police state before you know it. Laws are made to protect the majority.

So which laws do you want to ignore then? Bet they aren't the same ones that I do. What happens when our own beliefs clash - suppose I want something you have and I just decide to take it. I choose to ignore a law I don't like and everything is great? Or is that a law that I can't selectively ignore. Suppose someone at a match got out his fags and lit up - he can do that in your world? Or the coach driver decides to have a skinful before driving you all back - that's OK as well?

Police state - jesus, you'll be wearing tinfoil over your head next to stop them beaming thoughts into your head. Laws protect the majority - just because you aren't in that majority when it comes to standing at football does not make it a bad law!

 

[Husty]

...and tickets at football grounds are all seated! If you don't want to sit, then don't buy the tickets - it really is that simple.

Power Trip, what part of your younger life went so badly wrong that you have to make up for it now by bullying people in your high viz jacket to feel a little better inside.

And presumably your retort will just be 'its the law'

So are you now telling me you've never broken the lawn? Never, EVER speeded? never dont any sort of drug, never drank a drop of alcohol before you were 18? Obviously you did these things so your a whopping great hypocrit just to say its in the law.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

God it's people like you I f***ing hate, the whole point of stewards is to improve and enhance peoples experience by making sure they are safe e.t.c. e.t.c.

It is not an excuse for some egotistical wanker to go on a power trip for an afternoon, you THINK that your helping people by ejecting people for standing but your not are you? Your doing it because you love the power and the feeling of ruining someones day. if they are getting aggressive, very drunk then whatever chuck them out but all your doing by booting out people who are standing is ruining their day, it is not any safer, and in a situation like it will be at saint marys where there is room to move about, NO ONE will be getting upset about having to stand because there is plentiful room to move about.

Despite what you may think in your completely deluded head, YOU are the problem, not US

Good. I am glad you irrationally hate someone you have never met and have no idea about. You are a wanker. I know this because I have assessed you from your posts. You are talking out of your well f***ed arsehole (I know this also because you are a Brighton fan and therefore a bender).

Go to bed you sad little cock juggler, the big boys are talking now and you have no idea what you are doing on the internet - you are normally single handed surfing. Do you even know what my job is, dimwit? Do you understand any part of this conversation or have you joined in because it's your Dad's turn on your brother at the moment and you have twenty minutes to kill?

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Power Trip, what part of your younger life went so badly wrong that you have to make up for it now by bullying people in your high viz jacket to feel a little better inside.

And presumably your retort will just be 'its the law'

So are you now telling me you've never broken the lawn? Never, EVER speeded? never dont any sort of drug, never drank a drop of alcohol before you were 18? Obviously you did these things so your a whopping great hypocrit just to say its in the law.

Broken the lawn? Not since I used a really, really heavy mower.

My job is to train stewards to keep dimwits like you safe because you don't understand the bigger picture. My steward work at football, rugby, cricket, music and other events where there will be spectators. The only people who cause them grief are f***ing idiot football fans who think they know best and want to impose their will on the rest of the crowd - who generally tell us that the people who stand are idiots and can we get them to sit down or chuck them out.

Now, be a good boy and go f*** your sister - Notters is having a go on your brother at the moment.

 

[Husty]

Good. I am glad you irrationally hate someone you have never met and have no idea about. You are a wanker. I know this because I have assessed you from your posts. You are talking out of your well f***ed arsehole (I know this also because you are a Brighton fan and therefore a bender).

Go to bed you sad little cock juggler, the big boys are talking now and you have no idea what you are doing on the internet - you are normally single handed surfing. Do you even know what my job is, dimwit? Do you understand any part of this conversation or have you joined in because it's your Dad's turn on your brother at the moment and you have twenty minutes to kill?

You know im right then judging by how personally you've taken that post

Did you daddy touch you at night in places he shouldnt, that why your so desperate to be in control of something?

 

[Hiney]

God it's people like you I f***ing hate, the whole point of stewards is to improve and enhance peoples experience by making sure they are safe e.t.c. e.t.c.

It is not an excuse for some egotistical wanker to go on a power trip for an afternoon, you THINK that your helping people by ejecting people for standing but your not are you? Your doing it because you love the power and the feeling of ruining someones day. if they are getting aggressive, very drunk then whatever chuck them out but all your doing by booting out people who are standing is ruining their day, it is not any safer, and in a situation like it will be at saint marys where there is room to move about, NO ONE will be getting upset about having to stand because there is plentiful room to move about.

Despite what you may think in your completely deluded head, YOU are the problem, not US

With respect (not a lot, admittedly), that is utter bollocks.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

You know im right then judging by how personally you've taken that post

Did you daddy touch you at night in places he shouldnt, that why your so desperate to be in control of something?

Oh dear - not really getting this are you? What part of this don't you understand? You don't get rhetoric (look it up), you can't read posts - are you sure you are allowed to football on your own? We can look after you in the disabled section if you would like that instead?

 

[Husty]

Broken the lawn? Not since I used a really, really heavy mower.

My job is to train stewards to keep dimwits like you safe because you don't understand the bigger picture. My steward work at football, rugby, cricket, music and other events where there will be spectators. The only people who cause them grief are f***ing idiot football fans who think they know best and want to impose their will on the rest of the crowd - who generally tell us that the people who stand are idiots and can we get them to sit down or chuck them out.

Now, be a good boy and go f*** your sister - Notters is having a go on your brother at the moment.

No actual response to what I've said, have you never broken the law?

 

[Foolg]

Power Trip, what part of your younger life went so badly wrong that you have to make up for it now by bullying people in your high viz jacket to feel a little better inside.

And presumably your retort will just be 'its the law'

So are you now telling me you've never broken the lawn? Never, EVER speeded? never dont any sort of drug, never drank a drop of alcohol before you were 18? Obviously you did these things so your a whopping great hypocrit just to say its in the law.

Oh come on, its the guy's job for christ sake.

Honestly, what do you expect him to do, sit around joining in with the Albion songs while being watched from a control box, completely ignoring the job he's being paid to do?
Yes, a number of stewards (more so at Withdean) simply seem to enjoy the sense of power they attain from the job, but most are simply doing their job. Most football fans will never get on with stewards, because it is a sport where most like to stand, despite the fact its against the law. I always stand, i'll sit when im told to, and the second the stewards are off (usually within a minute) ill stand back up again. Those that get chucked out are those (usually) that think they're too big for the law, and start telling stewards to f*ck off for doing what is simply the job they're paid to do.

Its the same with traffic wardens, train ticket inspectors, referee's and so on. You cant go around calling them all power freaks for simply doing a job.

This will be the last time I stand up for a steward, please note.

 

[poidy]

Do you think stewarding is a full time job? Hm. It's part time and poorly paid - I just help train the buggers. We have students and retirees working there, St Mary's was voted the best ground for safety and the ground with the best stewards last year amongst all the League teams. Coping with the occasional idiot is really not a problem because they just get ejected, the law is explained to them (again) and they are sent on their merry way with a banning order.

If you really want to get into crowd psychology then take a read in the other thread where we started to chat about it. It's about more than Hillsborough, although that was clearly the legal catalyst for change. Can you remember the reaction of Ken Bates who wanted to electrify the fences at Stamford Bridge at the time?! We have to apply common sense for EVERYONE, not just the occasional person who decides that it's still the 80s and they have a right to stand. Legally, you don't. It's that simple. If you do not comply with a lawful request then you can be arrested - I am sure your well respected job would appreciate that! Why can't you simply be sensible and watch the match rather than trying to pretend that you can't watch football without standing up? When they banned drinking and smoking people said it wasn't the same - funnily enough, they still go.

Let the guys do their job, sit down when it's not exciting, stand up when it is, and leave at the end of 90 (plus time added on). Wandering the streets around St Mary's waiting for your mates is not much fun, especially for an away fan!

The great thing about a forum and its sole purpose is that everyone has an opinion and its an opportunity to voice that opinion.

Whilst i understand the legalities of the matter im not going to pretend i agree with them. The sole reason being that for myself and many others sitting at a football match simply takes the enjoyment out of it and ruins the atmosphere. Now when folk spend in excess of 100 GBP for an away trip they want to maximise the enjoyment for this expense. To imply that by choosing to stand they are committing some sort of crime is damn right naive (irrespective of what the terms and conditions on the ticket state.)

My concern when we play Southampton is that we are now going to have a ridiculous number of stewards being both unreasonable and lacking in any form of common sense. Judging by the brief they seem to have recieved from yourself i cant see this being far from the truth.

Football is predominantly watched by a working class audience and its about time you realise this. You sit down to watch a movie at the cinema or when you take your missus to the theatre, but anyone who accepts this at the football is a fool (I would however like to point out that when my standing is impeding the view of someone behind me such as an elderly individual i do apply common sense and reason to this and take my seat.)

Whilst i clearly dont agree with your policies and what the law states if asked to sit down DIRECTLY by a steward then i will reluctuntly do so. Whilst it is the worst case scenario, recieving any type of banning order is more than my jobs worth. That said i will push my luck to a degree. I actually cant believe im sat here discussing standing up at the football and banning orders in the same sentance.

Absolutely ridiculous