"Don't kill Rooney......" ?

[DJ Leon]

No, we don't. And unfortunately it's starting to cost us. If you asked every international referee which players are the most honest on the pitch, they would say British players.

That Ref who did the battle of Nuremberg admitted afterwards that officials all knew Portugal were a bunch of cheats - he was just surprised Holland were as bad.

You are having a laugh. Let's look at some of our saintly players.

Michael Owen - Dived in major tournaments to good affect - got us penalties and helped us progress. CHEAT.

Wayne Rooney - Chequered disciplinary record inevitable with such a poor temperament. Been know to dive outragously when it matters. Ask Arsenal adn Sol Campbell who suffered defeat hen looking for their 50th unbeaten game against Man United. CHEAT

Joe Cole - World Class diver and feigner of injury. No game will pass without him flailing his arms in the air and going to ground very easily. Has been seen this tournament waving the imaginery yellow card. BIG CHEAT.

David Beckham - Sent off mroe than any other England captain. Poor disciplinary record at club level too. Deliberate bookings, violent conduct and dissent his specialities. CHEAT

Steven Gerrard - Likes to dive anywhere near the area. Guilty of penalty winning dive in warm up game for England and in many a Liverpool game. CHEAT.

I could go on, but I think the point is clear. England are no beacon of fair play and sportsmanship. Even Paul Robinson was guilty of feigning injury against Ecuador.

 

[RonnieO'Sullivan]

He will not learn - that is clear he has been around for 3 years now and during that time has spent most of it trying to get sent off.

wot a silly thing to say...

he very rarely gets sent off!

ur blowing it our of proportion...

so u think the England team would be a better team without Wayne Rooney?

 

[Tooting Gull]

You are having a laugh. Let's look at some of our saintly players.

Michael Owen - Dived in major tournaments to good affect - got us penalties and helped us progress. CHEAT.

Wayne Rooney - Chequered disciplinary record inevitable with such a poor temperament. Been know to dive outragously when it matters. Ask Arsenal adn Sol Campbell who suffered defeat hen looking for their 50th unbeaten game against Man United. CHEAT

Joe Cole - World Class diver and feigner of injury. No game will pass without him flailing his arms in the air and going to ground very easily. Has been seen this tournament waving the imaginery yellow card. BIG CHEAT.

David Beckham - Sent off mroe than any other England captain. Poor disciplinary record at club level too. Deliberate bookings, violent conduct and dissent his specialities. CHEAT

Steven Gerrard - Likes to dive anywhere near the area. Guilty of penalty winning dive in warm up game for England and in many a Liverpool game. CHEAT.

I could go on, but I think the point is clear. England are no beacon of fair play and sportsmanship. Even Paul Robinson was guilty of feigning injury against Ecuador.

Are you on drugs? If you did a similar list for Portugal or Turkey players - to name just two countries - we'd need several new threads.

Have you actually watched any of the matches?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

wot a silly thing to say...

he very rarely gets sent off!

ur blowing it our of proportion...

so u think the England team would be a better team without Wayne Rooney?

I think it could be yes.

When was the last time he scored anyway?

Defoe gets slated for only getting 1 goal in about 14 caps ( most as sub)

Rooney is of course class there is no denying that-0 but what use is it if he is clearly a nut job.

He got sent off last year for slow clapping a ref, is that not stupid?
He has been sent off 3 times in 3 years, that is quite a lot.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Are you on drugs? If you did a similar list for Portugal or Turkey players - to name just two countries - we'd need several new threads.

Have you actually watched any of the matches?

Are you in denial?

I believe his point was that England dive as well, not the fact other countrys dont.

 

[RonnieO'Sullivan]

I think it could be yes.

When was the last time he scored anyway?

Defoe gets slated for only getting 1 goal in about 14 caps ( most as sub)

Rooney is of course class there is no denying that-0 but what use is it if he is clearly a nut job.

He got sent off last year for slow clapping a ref, is that not stupid?
He has been sent off 3 times in 3 years, that is quite a lot.

when was the last time he scored u ask me?

if your going to argue the fact Wayne Rooney shouldnt play for England cos of his footballing talent then that is just ridiculous...

 

[Tooting Gull]

Are you in denial?

I believe his point was that England dive as well, not the fact other countrys dont.

I'm sure England players have and do time-waste, 'cheat', dive sometimes...and all the other things.

They just don't do it to anything like the level that some, even most other international teams do. That is crystal-clear to anyone watching. Including the referees, it would appear, as I've already mentioned.

 

[DJ Leon]

I'm sure England players have and do time-waste, 'cheat', dive sometimes...and all the other things.

They just don't do it to anything like the level that some, even most other international teams do. That is crystal-clear to anyone watching. Including the referees, it would appear, as I've already mentioned.

Ah well that's a different point. Still - I think it's crystal clear to an England fan, but maybe not anyone else who may have more perspective on how our players behave.

Yes, Ronaldo behaved badly yesterday, but then again Rooney stamped on somone. Yet according to you we're the saints and they're the villains!

 

[Tooting Gull]

Who has more perspective than the refs on this issue?

And anyway, I think the point is being lost here. I am very proud of the fact that our players retain, whatever you seem to think, a reputation for being well down the 'gamesmanship' league table.

What concerns me is that they may start to feel what's the point? Other sides are rolling around, rushing up to the ref brandishing cards - and he's not ignoring them, it's working and hurting us as a team.

Maybe they'll just all start behaving like the Portuguese. I still hope that doesn't happen.

 

[1066gull]

Will we just give this a rest.

Ronaldo didn't cheat, he was merely addressing the referee what happened as he saw it as violent conduct.

You could say he grasped Rooney up, but it was not him that got Rooney sent off, it was Rooney himself.

So what if the referee never saw it, Rooney was in the wrong and should of got a red, if it was Ronaldo stamping on Terry than I bet you we would go to the referee seeing that as violent conduct.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The point is that an England team that can't be put together without the name 'Rooney' on the teamsheet isn't worthy of winning a game.

This over-dependence on the one 'superstar' is one of the worst features of English football.

It's a TEAM GAME, ffs. We need players who understand that and who can adapt to circumstances. 'Superstar' managers don't help change this culture, either.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The point is that an England team that can't be put together without the name 'Rooney' on the teamsheet isn't worthy of winning a game.

This over-dependence on the one 'superstar' is one of the worst features of English football.

It's a TEAM GAME, ffs. We need players who understand that and who can adapt to circumstances. 'Superstar' managers don't help change this culture, either.

Spot on.

The England side would be a better unit if certain players were dropped to make way for lesser names.

 

[Tooting Gull]

The point is that an England team that can't be put together without the name 'Rooney' on the teamsheet isn't worthy of winning a game.

This over-dependence on the one 'superstar' is one of the worst features of English football.

It's a TEAM GAME, ffs. We need players who understand that and who can adapt to circumstances. 'Superstar' managers don't help change this culture, either.

While that is clearly true, you've picked the wrong player(s) to make your point for this tournament.

If you're talking players to possibly make way for the greater team good in Germany, you're looking at the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, and Beckham.

Rooney is only a 'superstar' because he is beyond doubt the best English player. To drop him would be like Argentina dropping Maradona in 86, France Platini in 84, etc etc.

We are also not over-blessed with quality alternatives in that department.

 

[DJ Leon]

Who has more perspective than the refs on this issue?

And anyway, I think the point is being lost here. I am very proud of the fact that our players retain, whatever you seem to think, a reputation for being well down the 'gamesmanship' league table.

What concerns me is that they may start to feel what's the point? Other sides are rolling around, rushing up to the ref brandishing cards - and he's not ignoring them, it's working and hurting us as a team.

Maybe they'll just all start behaving like the Portuguese. I still hope that doesn't happen.

What you seem to be angry about is that others cheat more than we do.

 

[DJ Leon]

Who has more perspective than the refs on this issue?

And anyway, I think the point is being lost here. I am very proud of the fact that our players retain, whatever you seem to think, a reputation for being well down the 'gamesmanship' league table.

What concerns me is that they may start to feel what's the point? Other sides are rolling around, rushing up to the ref brandishing cards - and he's not ignoring them, it's working and hurting us as a team.

Maybe they'll just all start behaving like the Portuguese. I still hope that doesn't happen.

What you seem to be angry about is that others cheat more than we do.

 

[NMH]

The point is that an England team that can't be put together without the name 'Rooney' on the teamsheet isn't worthy of winning a game.

This over-dependence on the one 'superstar' is one of the worst features of English football.

It's a TEAM GAME, ffs. We need players who understand that and who can adapt to circumstances. 'Superstar' managers don't help change this culture, either.

Exactly, a point I raised in a thread before this WC tournament started, and fully illustrated by the latest debacle.
The whole contest for us, was jeapardised by the focus on laying the red carpet out for an injured Rooney. Only made strange by the fact that it only cost us once he was finally fully fit.

 

[Jam The Man]

Let's get one thing straight.. Rooney DID tread down on a player- that's wrong and he needed to be dealt with.. but it wasn't by any stretch of the imagination a stamp of the kind that's being suggested!!! And it was not enough of a petulant reaction to warrant any kind of attack like Beckham had in 1998... and even Beckham didn't deserve the stick he got back then.

 

[Albaman]

Sven is right, we shouldnt bury Rooney. I am not sure how much if any intent there was in the stamp. Yes its a team game, but we should remember Rooney is a young guy. If he can mature a bit more we will be hailing him as a national hero one day.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Rooney will soon be giving interviews and press conferences saying 'Ive learnt my lesson, I'm older now, i'll never do it again etc etc'. But he's too dim to change. Gazza never did. And Rooney will lurch from one f***-up to another and end up skint and washed-up before he's thirty. He's the REAL King Of Chav, not that Mikey Carroll dustman bloke.

 

[NMH]

Rooney will soon be giving interviews and press conferences saying 'Ive learnt my lesson, I'm older now, i'll never do it again etc etc'. But he's too dim to change. Gazza never did. And Rooney will lurch from one f***-up to another and end up skint and washed-up before he's thirty. He's the REAL King Of Chav, not that Mikey Carroll dustman bloke.

I won't hold my breath for him to apologise, but I think you're right that he's as dim as a lightbulb out of a socket.

I'll never forget Beckham trying to give him captain's advice and Rooney just ignoring it completely. Probably the reason Becks has now resigned the position of captain altogether.

I'd feel more comfortable if rooney never got picked for England ever again. Prodigious talent my arse, he's a chavvy liability and he thinks the world revolves around him.