[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[Lindfield by the Pond]

We're looking at Canada instead. Or, failing that, Canvey Island.

Just got back from Toronto. To say that Trump is hated seems a little understated!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

787 is just one aircraft varient. 737 will have a lot more made in USA.

Besides, this is the manufacturing diagram, these things are sent to US for final assembly in S.Carolina and the finished flying aircraft is sold as a US product.

Unfortunately it's not IKEA and you can't buy the bits separately and assemble it yourself to avoid tariffs!

When things are made in Italy, France & the UK, then sent to America, don’t they now attract tariffs?

Trump has put tariffs on countries, not goods which is the more usual way of trading.

 

[peterward]

When things are made in Italy, France & the UK, then sent to America, don’t they now attract tariffs?

Trump has put tariffs on countries, not goods which is the more usual way of trading.

I'm guessing they generally would? But you'd also assume Boeing will carve out some kind of exemption, else the US aircraft industry, already struggling against Airbus commerically are going to get decimated.

It's a bloody chaotic mess that's for sure.

 

[SouthSaxon]

It’s absolutely obscene but certainly not on the scale of Auschwitz. But one death is too many.

What is the purpose of this place? Where do they go from here or is this some sort of indefinite incarceration?

She also shared this page from Human Rights Watch. It’s f***ing grim reading what’s happening there.

Human Rights Watch declaration on prison conditions in El Salvador for the J.G.G. v. Trump case

I, Juanita Goebertus, declare the following under 28 U.S.C. § 1746, and state that under penalty of perjury the following is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief:

www.hrw.org

As an aside, this made me wonder what pictures we’d be seeing in this country if the last government had succeeded with its Rwanda plan.

 

[fly high]

She also shared this page from Human Rights Watch. It’s f***ing grim reading what’s happening there.

Human Rights Watch declaration on prison conditions in El Salvador for the J.G.G. v. Trump case

I, Juanita Goebertus, declare the following under 28 U.S.C. § 1746, and state that under penalty of perjury the following is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief:

www.hrw.org

As an aside, this made me wonder what pictures we’d be seeing in this country if the last government had succeeded with its Rwanda plan.

Nothing even close.

 

[Berty23]

It’s absolutely obscene but certainly not on the scale of Auschwitz. But one death is too many.

What is the purpose of this place? Where do they go from here or is this some sort of indefinite incarceration?

It has only been about 3 months of his leadership. Hitler took many years.

 

[drew]

When things are made in Italy, France & the UK, then sent to America, don’t they now attract tariffs?

Trump has put tariffs on countries, not goods which is the more usual way of trading.

That sounds like you are implying that it is the country and not the end consumer/importer that will be paying the tariff!

 

[Bakero]

Something about crisps and lager, isn’t it?

And a bucket of Vindaloo?

 

[SouthSaxon]

It has only been about 3 months of his leadership. Hitler took many years.

Let’s not do these false comparisons again, please.

Fact check: The Nazis established the first concentration camps (including Dachau) in March 1933, following the Reichstag fire. That was two months after Hitler became Chancellor.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It’s absolutely obscene but certainly not on the scale of Auschwitz. But one death is too many.

What is the purpose of this place? Where do they go from here or is this some sort of indefinite incarceration?

There are unmarked graves there apparently. It’s more on the lines of Bergen Belsen. Trump has asked for five, and talked about homegrowns going.
It‘s trafficking.

 

[Bodian]

‘An existential threat to democracy’: the US judge facing a challenge to her election victory

Allison Riggs won in November – but a court ruling has put ballots in North Carolina under threat. The stakes are high

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Clamp]

What concerns me so much is how there is no way to get rid of a tyrant like Trump.

Which is concerning in a western democracy.

He needs to be removed from office. But how?

 

[Brian Munich]

What concerns me so much is how there is no way to get rid of a tyrant like Trump.

Which is concerning in a western democracy.

He needs to be removed from office. But how?

Send him on a visit to a few public schools?

 

[SouthSaxon]

What concerns me so much is how there is no way to get rid of a tyrant like Trump.

Which is concerning in a western democracy.

He needs to be removed from office. But how?

There are two (legal) ways - impeachment, or the 25th amendment. It would take relatively few of the more sane Republicans to get rid of him Sadly, none is yet showing the required gumption.

 

[Zeberdi]

There are unmarked graves there apparently. It’s more on the lines of Bergen Belsen. Trump has asked for five, and talked about homegrowns going.
It‘s trafficking.

It’s certainly along the lines and scale of the fascist dictatorships of the Americas under dictators like Pinochet, Castro, Batista and Arbenz to name a few who took their blueprint for fascism from Franco and Mussolini - geographically much closer to the US and much more recent.

“Tens of thousands of Guatemalans were slaughtered by fascist military forces and far-right death squads in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.”. Thousands of political opponents ‘disappeared’ in Argentina and Peru and other fascist regimes in South America and buried in unmarked graves.

The irony is, is that the US helped prop up some of these fascist regimes:

For example In El Salvador, “U.S. support for the junta continued under presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, Sr. And by the time a ceasefire was declared in 1992 (when the FMLN became a legal political party), thousands of Salvadorans had been killed and/or tortured.”

The global far right never went away it was just sleeping but in the changing global world order and its resurgence, has become very interconnected and transactional with Trump and Musk (and Farage) in the thick of it.

Even more ironic is the criticism Obama received from top far right Republicans for his attempts to normalise relationships with Cuba. Look at them now.

7 fascist regimes America enthusiastically supported

Republicans critical of Obama's Cuba strategy ignore our long history of propping up Latin American dictatorships

www.salon.com

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I know this is not news – and I've even said is so many times – but he is so WEIRD.

I saw this clip of him talking about Rory McIlory winning the Masters and he seemed incapable of talking normally about something that is seemingly the most important thing in his life.

 

[peterward]

That sounds like you are implying that it is the country and not the end consumer/importer that will be paying the tariff!

That certainly is the case.

A European company selling whatever to US for €100, is still going to be selling product for €100 to the importer as before. Its the importer that will now have to pay the tariff and then either take the loss or much more likely pass on the extra premium to the end consumer.

Thus fuelling inflation.

 

[Bakero]

It’s certainly along the lines and scale of the fascist dictatorships of the Americas under dictators like Pinochet, Castro, Batista and Arbenz to name a few who took their blueprint for fascism from Franco and Mussolini - geographically much closer to the US and much more recent.

“Tens of thousands of Guatemalans were slaughtered by fascist military forces and far-right death squads in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.”. Thousands of political opponents ‘disappeared’ in Argentina and Peru and other fascist regimes in South America and buried in unmarked graves.

The irony is, is that the US helped prop up some of these fascist regimes:

For example In El Salvador, “U.S. support for the junta continued under presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, Sr. And by the time a ceasefire was declared in 1992 (when the FMLN became a legal political party), thousands of Salvadorans had been killed and/or tortured.”

The global far right never went away it was just sleeping but in the changing global world order and its resurgence, has become very interconnected and transactional with Trump and Musk (and Farage) in the thick of it.

Even more ironic is the criticism Obama received from top far right Republicans for his attempts to normalise relationships with Cuba. Look at them now.

7 fascist regimes America enthusiastically supported

Republicans critical of Obama's Cuba strategy ignore our long history of propping up Latin American dictatorships

www.salon.com

Good points but Arbenz was the democratically elected leader of Guatemala who aimed to reduce inequality so was deposed by a CIA backed coup.

 

[WATFORD zero]

She also shared this page from Human Rights Watch. It’s f***ing grim reading what’s happening there.

Human Rights Watch declaration on prison conditions in El Salvador for the J.G.G. v. Trump case

I, Juanita Goebertus, declare the following under 28 U.S.C. § 1746, and state that under penalty of perjury the following is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief:

www.hrw.org

As an aside, this made me wonder what pictures we’d be seeing in this country if the last government had succeeded with its Rwanda plan.

I can't help but think that's where we were heading up until last July last year, however bad you think of this current lot are

 

[A1X]

What concerns me so much is how there is no way to get rid of a tyrant like Trump.

Which is concerning in a western democracy.

He needs to be removed from office. But how?

There are mechanisms, but they’ve all been built around the idea of a batshit President being surrounded by rational actors. When the entire deck is stacked with fruitcakes and crazies there’s not a lot of places to go.

I fear the only way we will be rid of Trump is if someone chooses the John Wilkes Booth method of writing their name into history.