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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024



Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I really hope Labour backs the Beeb, the Tories are deliberately trying to hollow it out whilst using it as a propaganda tool forcing a lot of talent to depart.

We also need to back the world service and foreign language broadcasts properly. Despite the UK's declining influence in the world the Beeb is still highly respected and a great source of soft power overseas
Definitely, and the World service is a lot more balanced than the UK news.

Twitter was tolerable if you blocked the bots but since Musk bought it, there's very little moderation. I have reported blatant racist posts only to be told they haven't breached 'regulations'.
There are still some posters worth following and some laugh out loud memes.


Going back to Trump, I wonder if he has had some medication to keep him from having a tantrum and being locked up for contempt of court, or it may simply, he hasn't got the concentration to stay awake.
 




bhafc99

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2003
7,111
Dubai
I don't use it but my impression is that people with Opinions use twitter to steamroller the rest. The very notion of debate is not part of the game.

NSC was exactly the same that 20 years ago, with a small majority of thoughtful people (the residue of the class of 2003). Active curation is the only solution of social media.
:wave::bigwave:
 


Zeberdi

Brighton born & bred
NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
4,923
Agreed! I rarely post there, and don't have any level of followers that mean my posts get read anyway 😂. I really will stop. One has to be either 100% invested in twitter posting to build a following (hopefully of good guys)...or forget it!
You also mustn’t have an original thought in your head but parrot the moral outrage of the populace if you want to be popular.

No one is interested in intelligent debate or nuance, it’s hard enough on internet forums to maintain non-polarised POVs - But under Musk, X has become the ideal platform for unmoderated toxicity, outraged soundbites and algo-driven echo chambers.
 








Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,226
Goldstone
Albeit, what's the source? Who is "Nate White"? A Google search only seems to point back to that article countlessly reposted. It doesn't really take away from the thrust of the words but does seem a little suspicious.
I don't care if it's a pen name, it reads true
 










Brian Fantana

Well-known member
Oct 8, 2006
7,258
In the field
Going back to Trump, I wonder if he has had some medication to keep him from having a tantrum and being locked up for contempt of court, or it may simply, he hasn't got the concentration to stay awake.

If you're going off the tweeted image you posted from the courtroom, I'm presuming you realise that is heavily photoshopped and he's not actually in court asleep?! Apologies if I'm being whoosed here....
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,226
Goldstone

Have you considered that Trump might actually be a criminal? The people who will work with him tend to be criminals too.
The following people who work/worked for Trump during his presidency (inc his campaign) have been found guilty of crimes and sentenced to prison:

Trump's campaign chairman - Paul Manafort
Trump's campaign vice chariman - Rick Gates
Trump's Advisor and Campaign Aide - Roger Stone
Trump's White House National Security Advisor - Michael Flynn
Trump's White House advisor - Peter Navarro
Trump's campaign advisor - Grorge Papadopoulos
Trump Organization CFO - Allen Weisselberg
Trump's chief strategist - Steve Bannon

Trump's business was found guilty of tax fraud
Trump's lawyers Kenneth Cheseboro and Sidney Powell have plead guilty to election-related crimes

There have been plenty of questions of this thread that you've simply dodged. The truth is that your mind is closed and you have no interest in reality. You're like a religious zealot preaching Trump, but no one here believes anything you say.
 




tedebear

Legal Alien
Jul 7, 2003
16,844
In my computer
I really hope Labour backs the Beeb, the Tories are deliberately trying to hollow it out whilst using it as a propaganda tool forcing a lot of talent to depart.

We also need to back the world service and foreign language broadcasts properly. Despite the UK's declining influence in the world the Beeb is still highly respected and a great source of soft power overseas

Growing up in Australia we listening to the BBC World Service with awe and just knew what they were saying had to be fact. It was an amazing window into the world. It was held in very high esteem. The football scores always made us laugh though...
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
If you're going off the tweeted image you posted from the courtroom, I'm presuming you realise that is heavily photoshopped and he's not actually in court asleep?! Apologies if I'm being whoosed here....
A definite whoosh. Look up Cold War Steve and his images.

It is a documented fact that Trump slumped in his chair and his mouth fell open, so it is a fair guess that he dozed off.
 


Stato

Well-known member
Dec 21, 2011
6,611
Have you considered that Trump might actually be a criminal? The people who will work with him tend to be criminals too.
The following people who work/worked for Trump during his presidency (inc his campaign) have been found guilty of crimes and sentenced to prison:

Trump's campaign chairman - Paul Manafort
Trump's campaign vice chariman - Rick Gates
Trump's Advisor and Campaign Aide - Roger Stone
Trump's White House National Security Advisor - Michael Flynn
Trump's White House advisor - Peter Navarro
Trump's campaign advisor - Grorge Papadopoulos
Trump Organization CFO - Allen Weisselberg
Trump's chief strategist - Steve Bannon

Trump's business was found guilty of tax fraud
Trump's lawyers Kenneth Cheseboro and Sidney Powell have plead guilty to election-related crimes

There have been plenty of questions of this thread that you've simply dodged. The truth is that your mind is closed and you have no interest in reality. You're like a religious zealot preaching Trump, but no one here believes anything you say.
You missed his lawyer, Michael Cohen. What was that campaign contribution related charge that he pleaded guilty to again? Something to do with 'Individual-1's presidential election campaign? https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...ral-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax

I wonder why Cohen chose to do that....?

The real puzzle is not why Trump is currently in court for this, but why it's taken four years from him leaving office to get him into court.

The argument that Trump is being politically prosecuted is utterly self defeating. If the aim of the prosecutions (from multiple agencies) were to stop him from running, then why hasn't the (pretend) author of 'The Art of the Deal' approached them and, I don't know... MADE A DEAL? Perhaps because there is no deal to be made with the law. To be honest my guess is that he would definitely, or already has offer(ed) to disappear to his golf courses if all charges could be dropped and no threat of bankruptcy or prison remained. Nixon, obviously a far cleverer negotiator, got that deal on weaker charges.

He's arguing that politics is trumping (no pun intended) the law, whilst running for office because politics is his only chance of Trumping (pun intended) the law.

A third of the country is so blinded by (genuinely deserved) hatred and mistrust of politics and institutions that they only have to be told that he'll burn everything down to be fully in support of his madness. Well, be careful what you wish for. Yes the modern US government means corruption and self interest and Washington and 'the Swamp' etc, but it also means schools, clean water, buildings not falling down, roads, bins being emptied, police, defence, veterans relief, social security, public healthcare, democracy, the rule of law, etc. etc. etc. and this stupid, greedy and stupid man is quite prepared to burn that all down too if it feathers his nest.
 








Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
597
Have you considered that Trump might actually be a criminal? The people who will work with him tend to be criminals too.
The following people who work/worked for Trump during his presidency (inc his campaign) have been found guilty of crimes and sentenced to prison:

Trump's campaign chairman - Paul Manafort
Trump's campaign vice chariman - Rick Gates
Trump's Advisor and Campaign Aide - Roger Stone
Trump's White House National Security Advisor - Michael Flynn
Trump's White House advisor - Peter Navarro
Trump's campaign advisor - Grorge Papadopoulos
Trump Organization CFO - Allen Weisselberg
Trump's chief strategist - Steve Bannon

Trump's business was found guilty of tax fraud
Trump's lawyers Kenneth Cheseboro and Sidney Powell have plead guilty to election-related crimes

There have been plenty of questions of this thread that you've simply dodged. The truth is that your mind is closed and you have no interest in reality. You're like a religious zealot preaching Trump, but no one here believes anything you say.

You seem new to this. If you are corrupt and wish to take down a political opponent you go after all those around him, this is how its done in socialist dictatorships.
 


Zeberdi

Brighton born & bred
NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
4,923
You seem new to this. If you are corrupt and wish to take down a political opponent you go after all those around him, this is how its done in socialist dictatorships.
You seem new to this - If you are the Attorney General and wish to bring down an infamous and powerful criminal you prosecute all those around him and turn them into State Witnesses, this is how it’s done in criminal justice systems.
 




A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
18,013
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Have you considered that Trump might actually be a criminal? The people who will work with him tend to be criminals too.
The following people who work/worked for Trump during his presidency (inc his campaign) have been found guilty of crimes and sentenced to prison:

Trump's campaign chairman - Paul Manafort
Trump's campaign vice chariman - Rick Gates
Trump's Advisor and Campaign Aide - Roger Stone
Trump's White House National Security Advisor - Michael Flynn
Trump's White House advisor - Peter Navarro
Trump's campaign advisor - Grorge Papadopoulos
Trump Organization CFO - Allen Weisselberg
Trump's chief strategist - Steve Bannon

Trump's business was found guilty of tax fraud
Trump's lawyers Kenneth Cheseboro and Sidney Powell have plead guilty to election-related crimes

There have been plenty of questions of this thread that you've simply dodged. The truth is that your mind is closed and you have no interest in reality. You're like a religious zealot preaching Trump, but no one here believes anything you say.
Not Listening Dumb And Dumber GIF
 


Stat Brother

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
73,870
West west west Sussex
I don't know why but oddly I'm reminded of Lance Armstrong.

Innocent for years.
All his competition guilty of doping.
Deny, deny, deny.
All around him found guilty.
Witch hunt.
Those closest too him say he's guilty.
Attack the attackers...




...finally admits to not only being guilty but was actually the ring leader micromanaging the whole operation.
 


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