[Politics] Donald Trump 2024

[marlowe]

One of Trump's supporters (I assume) has set himself on fire outside the courthouse in protest.

Shows the depth of lunacy amongst his supporters. Trump will probably derive a perverse sense of pride at such an extreme display of devotion to him whilst at the same time manipulating the narrative to blame Biden for the man's injuries...."if corrupt Biden hadnt had these charges brought against me that loyal patriot would not have felt compelled to set himself on fire"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68841535

 

[A1X]

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Why is he sucking a massive, invisible cock?

 

[US Seagull]

One of Trump's supporters (I assume) has set himself on fire outside the courthouse in protest.

Shows the depth of lunacy amongst his supporters. Trump will probably derive a perverse sense of pride at such an extreme display of devotion to him whilst at the same time manipulating the narrative to blame Biden for the man's injuries...."if corrupt Biden hadnt had these charges brought against me that loyal patriot would not have felt compelled to set himself on fire"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68841535

Too early to say what his motivation was, reportedly he dropped a bunch of these before doing it:

Clearly crazy. But did they see Trump as the problem? Or the cure?

 

[US Seagull]

From Reuters

Nearby, a pamphlet was visible that referred to "evil billionaires" and called on people to "expose this corruption." The portion that was visible to a Reuters witness did not mention Trump.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Because the offenders co-operated and returned the documents. Rather than lying about them, and secretly trying to move them.

So is claimed, but why would he do that? What I heard he said he needed more time to go through the boxes for them.

 

[A1X]

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Doing as he is told.

In all seriousness, this is classic bully behaviour. And that’s all Trump ultimately is, a bully picking on those he deems lesser than him. And he attracts bullies who feel emboldened to also bully others they deem somehow lesser.

 

[Zeberdi]

In all seriousness, this is classic bully behaviour. And that’s all Trump ultimately is, a bully picking on those he deems lesser than him. And he attracts bullies who feel emboldened to also bully others they deem somehow lesser.

What is? I must be missing your point because my post was just meant to be a funny and a light hearted dig at the impact the court case is having on his demeanour (not meant to invoke either a crude response or serious one - just a laugh!)

 

[A1X]

What is? I must be missing your point because I am not sure how your comment about bulling relates to me posting a couple of comparative images as meme on Trump’s courtroom behaviour, inside and outside.

It was just meant to be funny and light hearted (not meant to invoke either a crude response or serious one!)

His behaviour when surrounded by sycophants and his “crew” vs his behaviour when faced with genuine authority. All bullies are full of it until they realise someone has some genuine authority over them.

 

[Zeberdi]

So is claimed, but why would he do that? What I heard he said he needed more time to go through the boxes for them.

I would love to hear your views on Project 25, the ‘Conservative Promise’ that Trump intends to implement should he be elected.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Wiki summarises it as

1. Crack down on abortion nationwide
2. Add a census question about citizenship and reapportion electoral votes based on number of citizens, not number of people
3. Roll back environmental regulations and drill for more oil and gas in the arctic
4. Simplify the tax code and lower the corporate tax rate and then make it harder for congress to change that tax system
5. Give the president direct control of the entire executive branch, including the DOJ, and then direct the DOJ to pursue legal action against Trump’s adversaries
6. Rescind regulations prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation, gender identity, etc for the department of health and human services
7. Deputize the national guard in red states to intern in camps and subsequently deport undocumented immigrants and then have those guardsmen invade blue states to do the same thing
8. Outlaw pornography (but really, they mean outlaw teaching kids that it’s okay to be LGBTQ)
9. Fire all federal employees who are insufficiently loyal to Trump and replace them with vetted stooges
10. Eliminate or drastically defund numerous federal agencies including but not limited to the FBI, EPA and USAID

Edit: Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.

Or as one Reddit user put it…

This “project” is nothing less than a professionally framed playbook for a coup to usurp our current democracy and replace it entirely with an autocratic Evangelical Fascist regime!”

 

[lasvegan]

I would love to hear your views on Project 25, the ‘Conservative Promise’ that Trump intends to implement should he be elected.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Wiki summarises it as

1. Crack down on abortion nationwide
2. Add a census question about citizenship and reapportion electoral votes based on number of citizens, not number of people
3. Roll back environmental regulations and drill for more oil and gas in the arctic
4. Simplify the tax code and lower the corporate tax rate and then make it harder for congress to change that tax system
5. Give the president direct control of the entire executive branch, including the DOJ, and then direct the DOJ to pursue legal action against Trump’s adversaries
6. Rescind regulations prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation, gender identity, etc for the department of health and human services
7. Deputize the national guard in red states to intern in camps and subsequently deport undocumented immigrants and then have those guardsmen invade blue states to do the same thing
8. Outlaw pornography (but really, they mean outlaw teaching kids that it’s okay to be LGBTQ)
9. Fire all federal employees who are insufficiently loyal to Trump and replace them with vetted stooges
10. Eliminate or drastically defund numerous federal agencies including but not limited to the FBI, EPA and USAID

Edit: Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.

Or as one Reddit user put it…

This “project” is nothing less than a professionally framed playbook for a coup to usurp our current democracy and replace it entirely with an autocratic Evangelical Fascist regime!”

I don’t need a Wiki summary, I’m going to read all 920 PAGES and get back to you first thing in the morning…

 

[Bodian]

So is claimed, but why would he do that? What I heard he said he needed more time to go through the boxes for them.

Please provide something that shows this.

Thanks

 

[Zeberdi]

I don’t need a Wiki summary, I’m going to read all 920 PAGES and get back to you first thing in the morning…

I got through about 40 pages then speed read through about another 40 and then gave up - I really did need the Wiki summary

Please provide something that shows this.

Thanks

I posted this link above - apparently the excuse Trump gave to the Feds was he had to get his shoes and ‘pants’ out of the boxes before he handed them over to the Feds - don’t ask!

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/19/trump-sort-boxes-mar-a-lago-00102611

Of course there is another very simple possible explanation for all of this :

“Hoarding behaviour was recognised as a clinical disorder by the World Health Organisation in 2018.”

“The things that people choose to hoard are always significant, even if they appear worthless to others. There is an emotional attachment to the possessions themselves - They can be strongly connected to their sense of identity, particularly a past identity which they have difficulty letting go of, which can be more prevalent in older people. For example, a retired journalist might collect endless copies of the newspaper they wrote for as a means of holding onto that identity. Or a mother whose children are grown up and gone might nostalgically keep and treasure all their toys, long-outgrown clothes and every picture they ever drew.”

https://www.homecare.co.uk/advice/hoarding-and-the-elderly#:~:text=The%20toll%20on%20mental%20health,feelings%20they%20are%20dealing%20with.

 

[lasvegan]

I would love to hear your views on Project 25, the ‘Conservative Promise’ that Trump intends to implement should he be elected.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Wiki summarises it as

1. Crack down on abortion nationwide
2. Add a census question about citizenship and reapportion electoral votes based on number of citizens, not number of people
3. Roll back environmental regulations and drill for more oil and gas in the arctic
4. Simplify the tax code and lower the corporate tax rate and then make it harder for congress to change that tax system
5. Give the president direct control of the entire executive branch, including the DOJ, and then direct the DOJ to pursue legal action against Trump’s adversaries
6. Rescind regulations prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation, gender identity, etc for the department of health and human services
7. Deputize the national guard in red states to intern in camps and subsequently deport undocumented immigrants and then have those guardsmen invade blue states to do the same thing
8. Outlaw pornography (but really, they mean outlaw teaching kids that it’s okay to be LGBTQ)
9. Fire all federal employees who are insufficiently loyal to Trump and replace them with vetted stooges
10. Eliminate or drastically defund numerous federal agencies including but not limited to the FBI, EPA and USAID

Edit: Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.

Or as one Reddit user put it…

This “project” is nothing less than a professionally framed playbook for a coup to usurp our current democracy and replace it entirely with an autocratic Evangelical Fascist regime!”

Phew, got through it in a couple of hours. A quick summary…

1. Trump can’t crack down on this, it’s a state issue. As an aside, I believe abortion is abhorrent.
2. Excellent idea. Non citizens should have no influence on electoral votes.
3. Excellent idea. The war on fossil fuels is destroying our economy.
4. Excellent idea.
5. Unconstitutional, although it hasn’t stopped the DOJ pursuing legal action against Biden‘s adversaries.
6. Excellent idea, meritocracy rules.
7. invade blue states? Again, a state issue.
8.
9. Utterly ridiculous.
10. Excellent idea.

 

[Zeberdi]

Phew, got through it in a couple of hours. A quick summary…

1. Trump can’t crack down on this, it’s a state issue. As an aside, I believe abortion is abhorrent.
2. Excellent idea. Non citizens should have no influence on electoral votes.
3. Excellent idea. The war on fossil fuels is destroying our economy.
4. Excellent idea.
5. Unconstitutional, although it hasn’t stopped the DOJ pursuing legal action against Biden‘s adversaries.
6. Excellent idea, meritocracy rules.
7. invade blue states? Again, a state issue.
8.
9. Utterly ridiculous.
10. Excellent idea.

Page references and para nos please. (and any relevant footnotes you may have referred to) - one can’t possibly respond to such a well thought out analysis without reference to the original source material

 

[lasvegan]

Page references and para nos please. (and any relevant footnotes you may have referred to) - one can’t possibly respond to such a well thought out analysis without reference to the original source material

I can’t think of a well more thought out analysis than yours…

 

[lasvegan]

I can’t think of a well more thought out analysis than yours…

Keep it up Zeb, this would be far much less a forum without you.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

3. Excellent idea. The war on fossil fuels is destroying our economy.

Hmm, let me think, would I prefer a weaker economy with no fossil fuels yet a habtiable planet for all or would I rather we destroyed the planet and only the very rich nations survive ( if they're lucky ) ? Difficult one I'll accept.

 

[Curious Orange]

Phew, got through it in a couple of hours. A quick summary…

1. Trump can’t crack down on this, it’s a state issue. As an aside, I believe abortion is abhorrent.
2. Excellent idea. Non citizens should have no influence on electoral votes.
3. Excellent idea. The war on fossil fuels is destroying our economy.
4. Excellent idea.
5. Unconstitutional, although it hasn’t stopped the DOJ pursuing legal action against Biden‘s adversaries.
6. Excellent idea, meritocracy rules.
7. invade blue states? Again, a state issue.
8.
9. Utterly ridiculous.
10. Excellent idea.

This demonstrates well that you can't tell what a person thinks about any issue from their known opinion about one specific one.

 

[One Love]

Phew, got through it in a couple of hours. A quick summary…

1. Trump can’t crack down on this, it’s a state issue. As an aside, I believe abortion is abhorrent.

WTF

 

[chickens]

Phew, got through it in a couple of hours. A quick summary…

3. Excellent idea. The war on fossil fuels is destroying our economy.

Just homing in on this point. Do you understand that from a global perspective this looks like you and those who think like you saying “let the world burn.”

Do you understand that anyone with kids, or perhaps able to contemplate further than their own navel, might see this as outright stupid?

We have the technology to decarbonise, I know that oil, coal and gas have historically been seen as useful fuels, but we are, of necessity, weaning ourselves off them. America is not somehow immune from climate change, how has maintaining the planet in a manner that keeps it human habitable become some sort of political choice as opposed to a survival imperative.

It looks incredibly “we’re alright Jack” from outside.