[News] diversity equality and inclusion

[GT49er]

I'm going for one full scale argument by the end of page 2 complete with name-calling and at least one mention of either 'gammon' or 'woke'.

Rubbish! It'll be both!

 

[The Grockle]

I am massively opposed to positive discrimination but seeing as we have so many years of excluding groups based on colour, gender and disability it's hard to argue we need to address the issue but it feels like we are taking steps that ignore the root causes of a inequality.

I always look at black football managers as an example. Football has shown that the colour of your skin has no bearing on your pathway to the professional game but black managers are very seldom appointed. Simply appointing more black managers to hit a quota rather than breaking down the barriers that prevent ex black players taking coaching roles seems shortsighted. Taking a few steps back and addressing why so few black players are given the captaincy might be a start.

In the workplace positive discrimination seems like a lazy approach to a lack of diversity. I wouldn't want to be the black or disabled person who rocks up for my first day at work knowing I've been appointed at the expense of someone else because of diversity quotas, I'd feel even worse when I'm constantly being asked to pose for social media posts or marketing material.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The more diversity the better.

 

[jcdenton08]

I am massively opposed to positive discrimination but seeing as we have so many years of excluding groups based on colour, gender and disability it's hard to argue we need to address the issue but it feels like we are taking steps that ignore the root causes of a inequality.

I always look at black football managers as an example. Football has shown that the colour of your skin has no bearing on your pathway to the professional game but black managers are very seldom appointed. Simply appointing more black managers to hit a quota rather than breaking down the barriers that prevent ex black players taking coaching roles seems shortsighted. Taking a few steps back and addressing why so few black players are given the captaincy might be a start.

In the workplace positive discrimination seems like a lazy approach to a lack of diversity. I wouldn't want to be the black or disabled person who rocks up for my first day at work knowing I've been appointed at the expense of someone else because of diversity quotas, I'd feel even worse when I'm constantly being asked to pose for social media posts or marketing material.

Using your football example, have people forgotten our very own Chris Hughton’s sacking? Many in the press with wide audiences like Stan Collymore (TalkSport) and infamously firebrand and former head of “Kick It Out” Troy Townend strongly suggested race played a part in his dismissal.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I am massively opposed to positive discrimination but seeing as we have so many years of excluding groups based on colour, gender and disability it's hard to argue we need to address the issue but it feels like we are taking steps that ignore the root causes of a inequality.

I always look at black football managers as an example. Football has shown that the colour of your skin has no bearing on your pathway to the professional game but black managers are very seldom appointed. Simply appointing more black managers to hit a quota rather than breaking down the barriers that prevent ex black players taking coaching roles seems shortsighted. Taking a few steps back and addressing why so few black players are given the captaincy might be a start.

In the workplace positive discrimination seems like a lazy approach to a lack of diversity. I wouldn't want to be the black or disabled person who rocks up for my first day at work knowing I've been appointed at the expense of someone else because of diversity quotas, I'd feel even worse when I'm constantly being asked to pose for social media posts or marketing material.

Good post. I back away from the term 'positive discrimination' myself, and prefer the process of making recruitment and appointment accessible and transparent, with job spec that explains how a 'diverse' background may enhance candidate suitability, and how to capture relevant information in the application.*

I went for the head of department job a couple of years ago but it was given to a younger, female, gay, ethnic minority**). She was the better candidate, and has been the best HoD I have had, so I'm more than happy.

*I was on an awards committee recently where one of the prizes was for contribution to diversity. Unfortunately some of the candidates seemed to think that being of diverse background was sufficient merit for an award. Of course we wanted evidence of championing of equality, such as removing barriers to attainment.

**Sweaty. (Also, she is a Raith Rovers supporter but when she moved to south London she adopted her local club. Crystal Palace )

 

[mr sheen]

I’d love to check your CV

Feel free. I prefer my police officers to be unwilling to bend the truth on official documents to achieve their own ends.

 

[Eeyore]

Sorry I missed the figures , where did you quote them ?

And your other point kind of backs up mine. Women want equality yet they won't volunteer for the armed forces!!

 

[TomandJerry]

I might have a simplistic view but,

I'd give the job to the best candidate.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

An interesting and enjoyable thread from the outset which has remained relatively civil.

Hopefully a benchmark for the 25/26 pre season period on NSC although there is still a place for the occasional “Barbecues, where do you stand” sort of threads

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Rubbish! It'll be both!

Happily it has been neither.
Lovely civilized thread

 

[TomandJerry]

An interesting and enjoyable thread from the outset which has remained relatively civil.

Hopefully a benchmark for the 25/26 pre season period on NSC although there is still a place for the occasional “Barbecues, where do you stand” sort of threads

Absolutely, a friend of mine bought an electric BBQ recently too!

I'll be bringing the popcorn to that debate

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I might have a simplistic view but,

I'd give the job to the best candidate.

That is absolutely the right answer.
If my assessment of the way you process the world is correct, however, you may find fellow interview panelists,
were you to sit on an interview panel, most peculiar.
Sometimes I find it almost impossible to untangle their narrative.
Humans are a rum lot

 

[TomandJerry]

That is absolutely the right answer.
If my assessment of the way you process the world is correct, however, you may find fellow interview panelists,
were you to sit on an interview panel, most peculiar.
Sometimes I find it almost impossible to untangle their narrative.
Humans are a rum lot

I find most people who walk around with clipboard's tend to be peculiar types

 

[GT49er]

Happily it has been neither.
Lovely civilized thread

Yet................!

 

[Hamilton]

Which came first? The pipeline of talent or the opportunity.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yet................!

Potty has just got home from school I see, so you may be right
Hopefully he can behave himself.
Dwayne has already been overwhelmed by the long words and nuance it seems

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I find most people who walk around with clipboard's tend to be peculiar types

We don't have clipboards on interview panels, but I share your scorn

 

[The Clamp]

Sorry I missed the figures , where did you quote them ?

And your other point kind of backs up mine. Women want equality yet they won't volunteer for the armed forces!!

You don’t think women voluntarily join the armed forces?

That is an interesting point of view.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

We don't have clipboards on interview panels, but I share your scorn

It'd be great if they did have clipboards though.

"That's everything I wanted to ask. Do you have any questions?"

"Yes. Why does your company not have any tables?"

 

[abc]

By coincidence I had a conversation with a CEO of an international corporation on this subject last night.

In particular we discussed the now legal requirements for UK plcs to achieve certain levels of female representation within SMTs and on boards. He was in favour because (in his opinion) it was driving necessary cultural change and dismantling the old boys club mentality. He 100% agreed with the principal of hiring the best person for the job but had learned to question the criteria as diversity brought less quantifiable but real benefits.

He is also one of the least woke people I know but a very capable respected business leader