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Did the Americans kill their own man Berg ??



REDLAND

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Digital Watermarks Prove Berg and Abuse Cameras Were the Same?

There are several postings on message boards suggesting that the digital watermarks on the Berg and Abu Ghraib videos are exactly the same. While at this point we have no concrete confirmation of this, it would fit with other examples of how the Berg execution and Abu Ghraib torture scenes are very similar. The contention is that Berg was killed by the US military as a staged psy-op to distract attention from the torture scandal, an execution blamed on 'CIArabs'.

The following is from a Yahoo message board...

Word is spreading around Kodak Park here in Rochester NY. And will break on national News tonite that Kodak film experts have analyzed the Nick Berg video and some of the Abu Grhaib Prison videos comparing them for certain encrypted recording signatures.

Each video camera leaves a certain signature mark, much like a fingerprint or striation markings on bullets in gun barrels. Same goes for CD-ROM Burners, they leave a trace or type of Cookies on the finished product.

These are tested by computer and not visible by the naked eye. Experts here after lunch have concluded that one of the 2 video cameras used in the Nick Berg "beheading" was also used to film US troop abuses of Iraqi detainees.

THIS is BAD news for BushCorp., Military, and CIA.

The following is from another message board, written by Mark Perkel...

The news story of the millenium

Ok - so - the millenuim is only 4 years old but - this is still one hell of a story.

Friday, new video was released showing Iraq prisoner torture. The most important piece of information in this video is something that you don´t see.

Digital cameras have been built to inclued a digital watermark that identifies which camera took the video.

I am seeing messages on the internet who are saying the people at Kodak who developed the watermarking technology have compared the digital watermark on the Berg video with the new pridoner abuse from Abu Ghraib prison and the digital watermark matches one of the two cameras used in the Berg beheading.

If this is true then it means that Americans killed Berg at Abu Ghraib prison.

We need a digital video expert to verify the digital watermarks to prove this is true.

Anybody?
 




chips and gravy

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This would be an incredible story if proved true. It would also be curtains for Bush surely?
 


Gwylan

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I'm all for putting Bush in the shit but that one is really far-fetched.

Sounds like the people who 'proved' that the moon landings didn't happen.
 


Marc

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makes me wish the UFO incodent at Roswell happened with todays technology and the truth would be as clear as daylight. Damn US lot and their coverups :angry:
 






bobbyzee

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if true ( and i wouldn't put it past the septics ) then it has to be the most abhorent, stupid, piece of propaganda in a long time.
WTF is really going on in Iraq?
I don't trust anyone out there. :nono:
What a ridiculous waste of life....
:shootself

Thank f*** i'm a coward and tucked up nice and safely in my Hove flat!
 
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REDLAND

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LONDON, May 24 (IslamOnline.net) - The videotape showing the execution of Nicholas Berg in Iraq has at least 50 anomalies, video experts and computer analysts unveiled.

The Times reported this week the analysts’ suspicions that Berg could have been working for the American intelligence services or that the U.S. forces might have faked the video to cover up Berg’s death.

"Take, for example, the suspiciously white that appears shortly after frame 9 , 306of the beheading video. It appears to belong to a captor wearing an American cap," said the British paper Sunday, May23 .

"This is one of at least 50 anomalies now being pored over by an assortment of video experts, computer analysts and ghoulish internet surfers," it added.

A video put on a website reportedly linked to al-Qaeda shows the beheading of Berg with his executioners saying it came in revenge for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops.

Berg arrived in Iraq for the first time in December2003 . In mid March, he was held by the U.S. military in the northern city of Mosul for no apparent reason, prompting his father to file a lawsuit in a federal court in Philadelphia.

He was released by the Americans on April 6 and disappeared since April9 in unknown circumstances, the daily said.

Guantanamo Chair

The Times said questions have been raised about the orange jumpsuit worn by Berg, "which appears similar to those worn by prisoners at Guantanamo". A reference to the notorious military camp, where the U.S. was accused of committing human rights violations.

In the video tape, Berg appeared "sitting on a white chair similar to the one shown in an image from Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad".

The prison was the scene of numerous scenes of death due to torture and abuse as shown in photos splashed by American media outlets.

But, the paper admitted, "no credible evidence has yet been advanced to the outlandish but inevitable suggestion among conspiracy theorists that the U.S. forces might have faked a video to cover up Berg’s death".

Discrepancies

The Times underlined that more problematic is the American government’s claims that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, whom the CIA announced that it believed he is the man who read the statement before beheading Berg.

"The CIA’s insistence that al-Zarqawi was responsible appears based on the scantiest of evidence," said The Times.

"Al-Zarqawi is known to have lost one leg, yet there is now sign on the video of either a prosthesis or any awkward movement."

"Sound experts have speculated that the voice believed to be of al-Zarqawi’s might have been dubbed on."

Intelligence Services

The British newspaper said Berg’s alleged past links to an al-Qaeda cell have raised questions in some quarters as to whether he might have been working for the intelligence services.

It referred to a curious connection provided by Berg’s family.

The FBI discovered that Zacarias Massoui, a French Moroccan who was awaiting trial on charges that he would have been one of the September11 attacks, used Berg’s university’s e-mail password.

The Times said: "When Berg was arrested at a roadblock in Mosul, northern Iraq, last March, his Moussaoui connection provoked further scrutiny of the password incident".

The paper said that he was interrogated three times by the FBI in Mosul before being eventually released.

A senior Justice Department official admitted it is "unsettling it seemed that a civilian randomly executed by al-Qaeda should himself have been investigated for al-Qaeda links".

However, he insisted, American officials have no doubt that it was a "total coincidence".

Plot Thickening

The plot seemed to thicken when Michael Berg’s grief at his son’s murder turned to rage against the U.S. administration.

Berg had charged that his son’s detention in Mosul had been unlawful, and "had immersed my son in a world of escalated violence … were it not for his detention (he) would have (been) in my arms again".

On May19 , the father sent a letter to The Stop The War Coalition in London, saying that U.S. President George W. Bush's "ineffective" leadership is a "weapon of mass destruction".

"We are fed up with the lies from our government about Nick’s detention," the father said in the letter, a copy of which was sent to IslamOnline.net.

"The improbable sequence of events provoked intense scrutiny of both the U.S. government’s treatment of Berg and the video that shows his death," said the Times.

More Anomalies

The arrest last week of four Iraqis suspected of involvement in the revenge killing of the26 -year-old civilian adventurer had added to the confusion, the paper said.

The paper also said that there are numerous discrepancies in the times stamped on the video frames.

"While some of the anomalies appear easily explained by the obvious splicing and editing of the tape, others have excited intense debate."
 






Man of Harveys

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I think this involves the FBI, the CIA and Grassy Knollington from Viz
 




Jul 5, 2003
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Chertsey
you have to qustion the sources. but, if they are true, it means the end of the bush administration for certain
 




Rusthall Seagull

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Experts here after lunch have concluded that one of the 2 video cameras used in the Nick Berg "beheading" was also used to film US troop abuses of Iraqi detainees.


Where did they go for lunch!!!!????:lolol:
 




zefarelly

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I hope it is the end of the Bush administration, regardless, theyve been f***ing disgraceful . . .even most Americans are embarassed about it !
 


Papa Lazarou

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Jul 7, 2003
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Dick Knights Mum said:
I heard the same camera has got footage of the Beagle satellite.

Please tell more. I've heard of the Beagle 2 Mars Lander, but not about the Beagle satellite. Sounds interesting.

Papa
 


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