Did I imagine it or did England win tonight

[Rich Suvner]

8-1 would have been an unfair result. 8-2 however would not have been.

agreed

 

[Giraffe]

I'm not blind to it at all, BUT I totally expect it! I guess I am a realist. Moaning about a victory is just wrong.

Big deal. The Germans rightly deserved to beat us that day. 8-1 wouldn't have been an unfair result.

Gary Neville has stated we didn't achieve during his time in international football because we couldn't keep the ball. As a Brighton fan watching success under Gus, how can you be so blind to this continuing failure of our national side. Sloppy and wasteful possession. Little pace in moving the ball when we do have it. We're easy to play against and quite predictable a lot of the time.

 

[Giraffe]

Germany couldnt beat Poland tonight

 

[Giraffe]

Italy only beat Slovenia 1-0 tonight

 

[Giraffe]

France failed to beat Romania tonight

 

[WhingForPresident]

Funny how Brighton would win 1-0 last season in scrappy games like that and we were amazing

England do the same and instantly they're shit, need to go down in the fifa worlds rankings. Strange.

England are 4th in the world rankings. Wales are 114th (?)

That's basically the equivalent of Liverpool scraping a 1-0 win at home with a near full-strength side to Droylsden.

 

[Giraffe]

England are 4th in the world rankings. Wales are 114th (?)

That's basically the equivalent of Liverpool scraping a 1-0 win at home with a near full-strength side to Droylsden.

Yes it's exactly the same as that, not.

It's a good group of unmotivated Premiership players playing against a very motivated average bunch of Premiership/Championship.

 

[Rich Suvner]

France failed to beat Romania tonight

How many World Cups and European Championships do the Germans. French and Italians have between them. If I was German, French or Italian I'd probably feel I could overlook their failings on this Tuesday evening.

As for England, no we shouldn't expect to win, but we should expect to have achieved more as a nation since 1970. With a few notable exceptions, we've spent much of this period not qualifying for tournaments with half-decent squads, or qualifying and then playing football of limited quality despite having players of talent.

 

[Rich Suvner]

Yes it's exactly the same as that, not.

It's a good group of unmotivated Premiership players playing against a very motivated average bunch of Premiership/Championship.

So you'd agree the problem isn't the Premiership per se, but the English team/squad set up then?

 

[Giraffe]

We can all agree that England should be reaching the last eight of every major tournament and I was the first to bemoan our poor world cup but the tournaments are the only time to judge. Qualifying is all about qualifying. Several times since 1970 we have failed to qualify for tournaments. This time we are doing it comfortably so I see no reason to complain tonight.

How many World Cups and European Championships do the Germans. French and Italians have between them. If I was German, French or Italian I'd probably feel I could overlook their failings on this Tuesday evening.

As for England, no we shouldn't expect to win, but we should expect to have achieved more as a nation since 1970. With a few notable exceptions, we've spent much of this period not qualifying for tournaments with half-decent squads, or qualifying and then playing football of limited quality despite having players of talent.

 

[WhingForPresident]

Yes it's exactly the same as that, not.

It's a good group of unmotivated Premiership players playing against a very motivated average bunch of Premiership/Championship.

How is it not? Liverpool are probably around the 4th best team in the country, Droylsden are probably around the 114th best team in England.
England are apparently the 4th best team in the world, Wales are 114th.
It's an analogy.. not exactly scientifically proven..

But yeah, the second sentence is fairly spot-on. You've left out the point of England's clueless manager that would drop Parker for Lampard after all he has said about him in the past few days and that thinks James Milner and Gareth Barry are international footballers though.

 

[bn18bloke]

We can all agree that England should be reaching the last eight of every major tournament and I was the first to bemoan our poor world cup but the tournaments are the only time to judge. Qualifying is all about qualifying. Several times since 1970 we have failed to qualify for tournaments. This time we are doing it comfortably so I see no reason to complain tonight.

The reason to complain is that it was total shite to watch

 

[Giraffe]

So you'd agree the problem isn't the Premiership per se, but the English team/squad set up then?

I agree there is a general problem with players not being motivated to play for England, however I believe our expectation should be no higher than the top eight in a major tournament. If we fail to do that at a tournament or fail to qualify you have to say we have failed. I would have ditched Capello after South Africa but having kept him for the qualification he has done the job if qualifying. Now let him be judged next summer in what is his last tournament and then give an Englishman a go. Redcap would be my choice.

 

[Rich Suvner]

We can all agree that England should be reaching the last eight of every major tournament and I was the first to bemoan our poor world cup but the tournaments are the only time to judge. Qualifying is all about qualifying. Several times since 1970 we have failed to qualify for tournaments. This time we are doing it comfortably so I see no reason to complain tonight.

i think the bad feeling is a hangover from the 'golden generation's lost decade.
simply put, people are fed up with england.
people like myself are not seeing a genuine change in approach to games - you have to admit, the quality out there was poor, regardless of result

 

[Giraffe]

The reason to complain is that it was total shite to watch

A lot of international football is, with players going through the motions. Not right but it's a fact.

 

[Rich Suvner]

however I believe our expectation should be no higher than the top eight in a major tournament. .

agree with this. semi-finals would be a good performance.

it's the quality of play that bothers me more currently. i'm simply bored of watching them.

 

[WhingForPresident]

i think the bad feeling is a hangover from the 'golden generation's lost decade.
simply put, people are fed up with england.
people like myself are not seeing a genuine change in approach to games - you have to admit, the quality out there was poor, regardless of result

I found myself not entirely bothered after the hammering against Germany in the WC last year which was a tad surprising, considering I have had near-on emotional breakdowns (not literally, just the odd bit of tears and tantrums) after the defeats against Portugal in 2004 and 2006 and Brazil in 2002..
Been let down far too many times by this "Golden Generation" Something has to change.
We are even worse at Wembley than we are away from home.. We have just been dire near-on every time we have played there.

 

[Rich Suvner]

I found myself not entirely bothered after the hammering against Germany in the WC last year which was a tad surprising, considering I have had near-on emotional breakdowns after the defeats against Portugal in 2004 and 2006 and Brazil in 2002..
Been let down far too many times by this "Golden Generation" Something has to change.

ditto

 

[Giraffe]

i think the bad feeling is a hangover from the 'golden generation's lost decade.
simply put, people are fed up with england.
people like myself are not seeing a genuine change in approach to games - you have to admit, the quality out there was poor, regardless of result

Yep but peoples expectations are crazy. We can't go from being shit to brilliant overnight.

Gus can do it because he has money to spend and the world to pick from. Capello can only chose Englishman and constantly has to battle against having players dib out through niggles that if it was a club match they would play through.

The revolution that coaches such as Gus are achieving will take quite a while to filter across the land and into young England players, but I do believe that we will get there. But it will take several years. Come back in 2022 and assess the England team then.

Moaning about the size of a victory against a team playing in their cup final does nothing for this country.

 

[bn18bloke]

Its just been so poor to watch under capello's reign other than the odd game, we do have the players but he just plays wrong ones in wrong positions