[Football] Cut ticket prices for a better atmosphere

[Wardy's twin]

What do you define as a better atmosphere? Some on here would say the palace game had the 'most' atmosphere yet many are saying that atmosphere might be the reason why there are so few tickets being sold for the cup game.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Perhaps he should look at average attendance as a percentage of capacity. Apart from Spurs due to playing at Wembley all PL clubs are above 90% and most in high 90s. So ticket price is not an issue.

only for those that can't afford them eh
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Like most things, the aim is to squeeze as much money out of us as possible

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bigger fool you then
regards
DR

 

[el punal]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42574469

Manchester City captain Vincent Kompany has urged Premier League football clubs to cut ticket prices for fans.
The two-time Premier League winner said fans helped create "a lot of atmosphere" at matches helping clubs sell the TV rights.
"Use that competitive advantage to lower the price for the fans," he said.

Couldn't agree more

Well, yes, if you play in half empty stadiums. Not with us though as we're averaging well above 30,000 per game and with a ground capacity of 30,750.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

bigger fool you then
regards
DR

We go to enjoy ourselves though, can you remember the last time you done that dez?

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[BensGrandad]

I fail to see how reducing the price of tickets st The Amex would change the atmosphere as we sell out most games and the sole reason for low sales for the cup tie is that everybody knows they will be reduced strength teams and it is on TV. Very few reserve games are shown on Sky.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

We go to enjoy ourselves though, can you remember the last time you done that dez?

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every time you reply to me
regards
DR

 

[Dan Gleeballs]

Man Utd charging Derby fans £45 tonight. Bang out of order... even if it is Derby

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The price should be not so high that the stadium is not at capacity (in the PL) but sufficiently high to keep the wankers out. I can remember when there were stacks of pissed up numpties with no intrest in the game, happy to shell out the small change to rock up for some shenanigans. A mate of mine (now in his 60s) used to do this at Chelsea in the early 80s. Used to stand with his back to the pitch for 90 minutes, looking for trouble. No intrest in football, let alone Chelsea. I asked him once what he would have done had the quivalent of today's prices been in place. He just gave me a look.

Also, it makes me laugh - bloke does an HND in his spare time, then thinks he can spout on about how to make football better. Guess what? A Dutchman. They think they know everything, the Dutch. I know plenty in my game (heart research) and they are biggest load of know-all gobshites that ever walked the planet. I blame it on the cheap and readily available skunk.

If I think of any more sweeping generalisations and prejudicial assumptions, I'll share them later.

 

[Wozza]

The price should be not so high that the stadium is not at capacity (in the PL) but sufficiently high to keep the wankers out. I can remember when there were stacks of pissed up numpties with no intrest in the game, happy to shell out the small change to rock up for some shenanigans. A mate of mine (now in his 60s) used to do this at Chelsea in the early 80s. Used to stand with his back to the pitch for 90 minutes, looking for trouble. No intrest in football, let alone Chelsea. I asked him once what he would have done had the quivalent of today's prices been in place. He just gave me a look.

Also, it makes me laugh - bloke does an HND in his spare time, then thinks he can spout on about how to make football better. Guess what? A Dutchman. They think they know everything, the Dutch. I know plenty in my game (heart research) and they are biggest load of know-all gobshites that ever walked the planet. I blame it on the cheap and readily available skunk.

If I think of any more sweeping generalisations and prejudicial assumptions, I'll share them later.

It was an MBA. And he's Belgian.

As you were.

 

[bn1&bn3 Albion]

Of course one way of cutting ticket prices would be to lower the cost to clubs on players stupidly high wages ..... I wonder if he'd be so keen then ?

City could lower all season tickets by £100 and they'd only lose £4M. £100 for your average fan is quite a lot, for a club like City that is peanuts..

 

[drew]

Have to laugh at these type of threads. The 'I can't afford to go and as I would improve the atmosphere then reduce ticket prices so I can go'!

Most Premier league grounds are virtually full so from a business perspective, why would you reduce your income unnecessarily. As someone else pointed out, the type of fan that goes now has more disposable income and that gets spent at the concessions.

I wonder how many of those complaining about ticket price are quite happy to stump up for Sky Sports and how many of those are also complaining about the wages of players that are effectively supported by those subscriptions?

£55 for a ticket for the Man City game was not the cheapest adult ticket price. That may well be the only ticket you could get but that's supply and demand for you.

Cat B games are £35. Not easy to compare with other activities but you could easily spend more than that on a night out in Brighton. I suspect there are many 'working class' lads who do that every Friday and Saturday.

At the end of the day, it's about choices. You can't have everything so you have to pick and chose.

 

[drew]

With the huge TV money deal then tkt prices should be cut drastically - no reason why anyone should be paying more than £30 for a tkt anywhere imo - pure greed

Any particular methodology as to how you arrived at that figure?

 

[drew]

Huddersfield got it spectacularly right when they decided unilaterally to follow this advice.

Their ground appears to be packed for every game with fans (probably significantly younger and more working class than the PL average) who either followed them in the Championship or were quickest off the mark (without finance being a significant barrier to entry) to get STs for this season.

At The Amex we are limited now with what is possible from where we are. Ideal would be something like having an extra new 1,000 season tickets (to add to those already qualifying which wouldn't be many) that are available at a very cheap price to people between 21 and 30 on below average incomes.

I understand Uddersfield have about 20k season ticket holders. Their average attendance last season was about that but between 1995 and 2016 it was between 9k and 14k. So it would appear they are catering for about 6k JCLs. You also have to take into account that they are competing with a larger number of clubs in their area. They are virtually in the middle of a triangle between Manchester/Leeds/Sheffield. The furthest of which is closer to them than Palace is to us. Furthermore they are competing against Rugby League. Fair play to them though.

 

[drew]

Good idea , perhaps the players themselves who are earning in a week most of the people watching take a year to earn could subsidise the costs of lowering ticket prices , that probably wouldn't go down to well though i suppose , the entire football fan demographic has changed , it is not something Mr 15k a year can now just take his family to without blowing the monthly food bill , that's bollox i hear the resident pedants squeal , as we sell out almost every game , but we do so because football at many top flight clubs has become a middle class Brioche Burger bun and the sesame seeded fans in the main are simply not attending football matches anymore , you only have to look at Huddersfield £199 adult season ticket price to realise if you keep the prices as low as possible the crowd demographic is different and there is a decent atmosphere created by people who love the game and get behind their team , of course thousands have jumped upon the Udders band wagon this season but they took the decision themselves to keep it low , and i take my hat off to them for that .

Average Premier League wages are now over £50K per week. I'm sure most of those at the Amex don't earn that much.

 

[Wozza]

At the end of the day, it's about choices. You can't have everything so you have to pick and chose.

But that's kinda the point. £45 to see Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd play, say, [insert any team from 8th down] is really not an attractive proposition to a local, 20-something. It's just not value.

So the stadiums of the big teams - who charge £45 upwards, some with limited concessions - are filled with businessmen and tourists, which is crap for atmosphere... and community... and the future of live sport.

Theatre, opera etc are wise enough to offer affordable tickets. The big clubs want to milk every matchday dollar.

 

[darkwolf666]

Respect & all that but that is tosh
The only clubs with large numbers of "tourists" are the likes of ManU and only then because their fanbase has so far to travel!
The single thing that would improve atmosphere is a return to significant levels of standing and for reasons economic and political I don't think that will change greatly in mine, my children's, or indeed my grandchildren's lifetimes.

I have stood at plenty of grounds, including The Goldstone, where there has been no atmosphere on the day. Singling out standing, or the lack of it for poor atmosphere is quite frankly tosh!

Atmosphere is usually created by several factors. How well the team is doing, the style of football and the opposition or occasion are crucial factors in making a good atmosphere possible.

 

[drew]

But that's kinda the point. £45 to see Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd play, say, [insert any team from 8th down] is really not an attractive proposition to a local, 20-something. It's just not value.

So the stadiums of the big teams - who charge £45 upwards, some with limited concessions - are filled with businessmen and tourists, which is crap for atmosphere... and community... and the future of live sport.

Theatre, opera etc are wise enough to offer affordable tickets. The big clubs want to milk every matchday dollar.

Theatre! I pay a fortune if I want to see a show especially in London. Also, for big ticket shows which are sold out months in advance, how much are you likely to pay? You want to go and see a small touring theatre company on the cheap then fair enough but it could be argued that you could go and see lower league football if the price is what is relevant, Wealdstone maybe! Difference, as we all know, is that you don't have a life long allegiance to a theatre company.

The point being missed is that the club stadiums are pretty much full. Why would clubs risk attracting the type of fan that is more likely to cause trouble. As for atmosphere at the big grounds you really need to see what it's like when the big 6 or 7 are playing each other in games that matter. Arsenal, Tottenham, Man U and Chelsea were all crap atmospheres from our point of view but as far as their fans were concerned they were expecting a regulation victory against a team likely to be fighting to avoid relegation. Probably the fans that would create the atmosphere at the big 6 games sell their tickets on for the crap games.

As for live sport, do you honestly think it is in decline?

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Theatre! I pay a fortune if I want to see a show especially in London. Also, for big ticket shows which are sold out months in advance, how much are you likely to pay? You want to go and see a small touring theatre company on the cheap then fair enough but it could be argued that you could go and see lower league football if the price is what is relevant, Wealdstone maybe! Difference, as we all know, is that you don't have a life long allegiance to a theatre company.

The point being missed is that the club stadiums are pretty much full. Why would clubs risk attracting the type of fan that is more likely to cause trouble. As for atmosphere at the big grounds you really need to see what it's like when the big 6 or 7 are playing each other in games that matter. Arsenal, Tottenham, Man U and Chelsea were all crap atmospheres from our point of view but as far as their fans were concerned they were expecting a regulation victory against a team likely to be fighting to avoid relegation. Probably the fans that would create the atmosphere at the big 6 games sell their tickets on for the crap games.

As for live sport, do you honestly think it is in decline?

I think most/all of what you are saying is correct.

Perhaps the NFL - massive crowds of monied customer consumers - is the Premier League model.

I'm with the group who would prefer not to go all the way down this full on commercialisation/Gastropub/Theatregoers route and agrees that cheaper tickets are vital in order to maintain a positive part of the identity of top level English football.



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[Wozza]

I think most/all of what you are saying is correct.

Perhaps the NFL - massive crowds of monied customer consumers - is the Premier League model.

This NFL?

NFL television ratings down 9.7 percent during 2017 regular season