Culloden April 16th 1746

[Lord Bracknell]

Spot on, Gwylan - give 'em that history lesson they clearly need.

As for last battle on British soil ... depends (as ever) on your definitions. The last battle on the British mainland between British armed forces and an opposing force was at Bossenden Wood, Kent in 1838. There was also one in 1817, at Pentrich in Derbyshire.

It's extraordinary that hardly anyone knows about this uprising of agricultural workers. Eleven people were killed, the same number as died in the much better known "Peterloo massacre" in Manchester, 19 years earlier.

Why is one event in the school curriculum and the other one ignored?

 

[Gwylan]

It's extraordinary that hardly anyone knows about this uprising of agricultural workers. Eleven people were killed, the same number as died in the much better known "Peterloo massacre" in Manchester, 19 years earlier.

Why is one event in the school curriculum and the other one ignored?

And why is the Newport uprising of 1839 little-known (I'm surprised you didn't mention that one Lord B)? Peterloo seems to be only such event remembered?

BTW, FB, thanks for drawing our attention to Bossenden Wood - it was new one to me.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

And why is the Newport uprising of 1839 little-known (I'm surprised you didn't mention that one Lord B)? Peterloo seems to be only such event remembered?

BTW, FB, thanks for drawing our attention to Bossenden Wood - it was new one to me.

I thought everyone knew about John Frost and the Westgate Hotel.

Not a lot of people know much about the Swing riots in Ringmer, though. Just a year or nine before the Chartist rising in Newport.

 

[The Large One]

Even Brighton - or Brighthelmstone, as was - was invaded by the French and burned to the ground in the 16th Century.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Even Brighton - or Brighthelmstone, as was - was invaded by the French and burned to the ground in the 16th Century.

Bastards!!

 

[Jim D]

Peterloo sounds like a battle but Bossenden Wood sounds like a bunch of tree huggers getting kicked about. Now, if it was Bossenden Field we could have had a play about it.

 

[Gwylan]

I thought everyone knew about John Frost and the Westgate Hotel.

Not a lot of people know much about the Swing riots in Ringmer, though. Just a year or nine before the Chartist rising in Newport.

Not so sure of that: Adriodinho seems to think that the last time we were invaded was 1066, so he probably thinks that the battle at the Westgate hotel was some Saturday night punch-up.

It was not just Ringmer that saw Swing riots - they took place in several villages across Sussex.

Now I come to think about it, Captain Swing would be quite a good NSC user name.

 

[dougdeep]

The "peasants revolt" is worth checking out if you are into social unrest 1066. A lot of that stemmed from around your way.http://www.villagenet.co.uk/esussex-iron/villages/cadestreet.php

 

[glosterseagul]

err In the seige of gloucester "the king" didn't like the walls because his humpty dumpty* fell off and broke. So he knocked them down! That is why Gloucester no longer has a city wall. I only bring this up now becuase I am leaving Gloucester for the match ...soon and...its Easter!

*This first Humpty Dumpty was a nickname for a gigantic wooden battering ram built for Chuck's army during England's Civil War. "He" was designed to roll across the River Severn and up against the walls of Gloucester, which was being held in the control of Oliver Cromwell and the Roundheads. Unfortunately for Humpty, he was no match for Cromwell and crew - and ended up being wrecked in the Severn, drowning hundreds of soldiers to the helpless dismay of "all the King's horses and all the King's men".

 

[Gwylan]

The "peasants revolt" is worth checking out if you are into social unrest 1066. A lot of that stemmed from around your way.http://www.villagenet.co.uk/esussex-iron/villages/cadestreet.php

The Jack Cade uprising wasn't the same thing as the Peasants' Revolt, dougdeep. Jack Cade's rebellion was in 1450, the revolting peasants came mainly from Kent and Essex, fired up by the injustice of the Poll Tax, and was a much more serious threat to the monarchy. They actually captured the Tower of London and were only dispersed when the leader was murdered and the king gave in to their demands (and later reneged on them).

The Cade uprising was a much smaller affair - although they also entered London. It was bit more middle-class than the peasants revolt - it would be a bit like the residents of Falmer suddenly descending on Brighton & Hove council and threatening mayhem.

Shakespeare dealt with the Cade rising in Henry VI (part 2) and gave us the memorable quote "Let's kill all the lawyers" - a favourite saying of mine.

 

[dougdeep]

The Jack Cade uprising wasn't the same thing as the Peasants' Revolt, dougdeep. Jack Cade's rebellion was in 1450, the revolting peasants came mainly from Kent and Essex, fired up by the injustice of the Poll Tax, and was a much more serious threat to the monarchy. They actually captured the Tower of London and were only dispersed when the leader was murdered and the king gave in to their demands (and later reneged on them).

The Cade uprising was a much smaller affair - although they also entered London. It was bit more middle-class than the peasants revolt - it would be a bit like the residents of Falmer suddenly descending on Brighton & Hove council and threatening mayhem.

Shakespeare dealt with the Cade rising in Henry VI (part 2) and gave us the memorable quote "Let's kill all the lawyers" - a favourite saying of mine.

Cheers. School was a long time ago for me.

 

[glosterseagul]

err In the seige of gloucester "the king" didn't like the walls because his humpty dumpty* fell off and broke. So he knocked them down! That is why Gloucester no longer has a city wall. I only bring this up now becuase I am leaving Gloucester for the match ...soon and...its Easter!

*This first Humpty Dumpty was a nickname for a gigantic wooden battering ram built for Chuck's army during England's Civil War. "He" was designed to roll across the River Severn and up against the walls of Gloucester, which was being held in the control of Oliver Cromwell and the Roundheads. Unfortunately for Humpty, he was no match for Cromwell and crew - and ended up being wrecked in the Severn, drowning hundreds of soldiers to the helpless dismay of "all the King's horses and all the King's men".

well I thoght it was interesting ....praps it's cos Gloucester is no where near Bwighton?