[TV] Clarkson's Farm 3 (and 4)

[Chicken Run]

So long as he is fighting for farmers NOT land owners like him it's just fine. He has a voice that may just change this total f*** up of a policy. Farmers need supporting, they are currently struggling just when we need to start sourcing our food locally.

The guy will genuinely have the back of Farmers, if you're unsure of that i’d suggest you haven’t watched much of the 4 seasons of Clarkeson’s Farm

 

[Chicken Run]

I don't like oafish bullies, even if they are delightfully contrarian.

How ironic, you’re one of the biggest “Oafish Bullies” on this board and the fact that you don’t even realise it (or your little gang of disciples) does nothing more than confirm it!

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

The guy will genuinely have the back of Farmers, if you're unsure of that i’d suggest you haven’t watched much of the 4 seasons of Clarkeson’s Farm

Think perhaps your having a go at the wrong person. Look back at my posts perhaps.

Having been a smallholder I know!!!

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Another great series, long may it continue

 

[abc]

Has anyone ever met a poor Farmer?

Yes, many. Far too many living below the poverty line, husband and wife working every hour god sends and children helping out after school.
Stupid, ignorant question .

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Yes, many. Far too many living below the poverty line, husband and wife working every hour god sends and children helping out after school.
Stupid, ignorant question .

You're right, ignorance.

It's f***ing hard being a farmer.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I agree. I love the show but him kicking off about the government targeting people like him who bought land to avoid inheritance tax is going to be painful viewing.

Then the government need to deal with the very people like JC who buy farms to avoid IHT. Punishing normal hard working farmers and their family is not the way to go about it. The percentage of farms owned for IHT purposes is probably very very small. Equally, what if JC hands down to one/some of his children who choose to keep it as a farm ? There's a flaw in the plan to charge IHT on what is effectively a business because if a farm executor has to sell off parts of a farm to pay IHT those farms could become economically unviable (it could be argued that is already the case anyway). Don't believe the figures that the government provided suggesting it would affect a very small number of farms - even if they were telling the truth, which they're not, we still need every farm so that the UK can provide a lot of food to consumers rather than having to import what is normally a load of shite compared to locally produced goods. Close enough farms down and we'll be begging for US chlorinated chicken and hormone fed beef.

 

[rogersix]

Then the government need to deal with the very people like JC who buy farms to avoid IHT. Punishing normal hard working farmers and their family is not the way to go about it. The percentage of farms owned for IHT purposes is probably very very small. Equally, what if JC hands down to one/some of his children who choose to keep it as a farm ? There's a flaw in the plan to charge IHT on what is effectively a business because if a farm executor has to sell off parts of a farm to pay IHT those farms could become economically unviable (it could be argued that is already the case anyway). Don't believe the figures that the government provided suggesting it would affect a very small number of farms - even if they were telling the truth, which they're not, we still need every farm so that the UK can provide a lot of food to consumers rather than having to import what is normally a load of shite compared to locally produced goods. Close enough farms down and we'll be begging for US chlorinated chicken and hormone fed beef.

dyson owns thousands of acres to swerve IHT, it's not so unusual

 

[Westdene Seagull]

dyson owns thousands of acres to swerve IHT, it's not so unusual

So that's two - assuming it really is a tax dodge by Clarkson but he does apparently work the farm himself unlike Dyson. So far two out of 100,000+ farmers. Even if you said 10% of farmers are tax dodgers like Dyson that's still a huge amount of farmers that shouldn't be punished by IHT on the farm. Hope everyone enjoys their imported food when it is food that could be produced in the UK.

 

[abc]

dyson owns thousands of acres to swerve IHT, it's not so unusual

Yes of course, Dyson and Clarkson are the norm

 

[clapham_gull]

So that's two - assuming it really is a tax dodge by Clarkson but he does apparently work the farm himself unlike Dyson.

We've no idea whether he works the farm himself to be honest. It's a scripted entertainment programme.

 

[rogersix]

So that's two - assuming it really is a tax dodge by Clarkson but he does apparently work the farm himself unlike Dyson. So far two out of 100,000+ farmers. Even if you said 10% of farmers are tax dodgers like Dyson that's still a huge amount of farmers that shouldn't be punished by IHT on the farm. Hope everyone enjoys their imported food when it is food that could be produced in the UK.

if the law was changed so it wasn't a tax dodge, we would have more "proper" farmers

 

[rogersix]

Yes of course, Dyson and Clarkson are the norm

soz, see above

 

[WATFORD zero]

Having dealt with a lot of SME's struggling to get by, if I knew somebody who had a family business worth a few million, but had to have their whole family work horrendous hours to get less than minimum wage, can you imagine what I would advise them to do ?

 

[Berty23]

Then the government need to deal with the very people like JC who buy farms to avoid IHT. Punishing normal hard working farmers and their family is not the way to go about it. The percentage of farms owned for IHT purposes is probably very very small. Equally, what if JC hands down to one/some of his children who choose to keep it as a farm ? There's a flaw in the plan to charge IHT on what is effectively a business because if a farm executor has to sell off parts of a farm to pay IHT those farms could become economically unviable (it could be argued that is already the case anyway). Don't believe the figures that the government provided suggesting it would affect a very small number of farms - even if they were telling the truth, which they're not, we still need every farm so that the UK can provide a lot of food to consumers rather than having to import what is normally a load of shite compared to locally produced goods. Close enough farms down and we'll be begging for US chlorinated chicken and hormone fed beef.

I am not saying it was the right thing to do. It is playing the victim when you yourself are affected by a tax people like you cause by doing what you do (you being Clarkson). I guess I am saying that if people like Clarkson and Dyson did not try to dodge IHT then they would have not led to the government doing what they did.

I have said before about my cousin being a farmer and taking over my uncle’s farm and I come from a farming village in Devon and spent lots of time on farms. They hate rich people buying land as a dodge too.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

if the law was changed so it wasn't a tax dodge, we would have more "proper" farmers

It's the "proper" farmers that will get hit by this the hardest. Clarkson & co can obviously afford the IHT - normal farmers can't. Good example is my Uncle. Owns a fairly small farm but once you add up the value of whole farm - land, house, barns, livestock, equipment - it comes well over the threshold for IHT. His wife is dead so he gets no IHT relief. This means the executor will need to sell part of the farm when he dies to pay IHT. It will make the farm totally financially unviable so any of his children who wished to continue the farm can't. His oldest son, currently a very high ranking solider awarded an OBE always said he'd be happy to take it over when his Dad died but is now saying he doesn't think it would be possible to make any profit from the farm if the land was reduced. The problem is that government ministers are all from corporate type backgrounds. Let's take Rachel Reeves who came up with this IHT idea - born in London and went to LSE - she wouldn't recognise a pig clitoris even it smacked her in the face. We have professional politicians running the country that know Diddly Squat (pun intended) about anything of the farming business. Sadly my uncles farm will just become fallow when he dies.

 

[rogersix]

It's the "proper" farmers that will get hit by this the hardest. Clarkson & co can obviously afford the IHT - normal farmers can't. Good example is my Uncle. Owns a fairly small farm but once you add up the value of whole farm - land, house, barns, livestock, equipment - it comes well over the threshold for IHT. His wife is dead so he gets no IHT relief. This means the executor will need to sell part of the farm when he dies to pay IHT. It will make the farm totally financially unviable so any of his children who wished to continue the farm can't. His oldest son, currently a very high ranking solider awarded an OBE always said he'd be happy to take it over when his Dad died but is now saying he doesn't think it would be possible to make any profit from the farm if the land was reduced. The problem is that government ministers are all from corporate type backgrounds. Let's take Rachel Reeves who came up with this IHT idea - born in London and went to LSE - she wouldn't recognise a pig clitoris even it smacked her in the face. We have professional politicians running the country that know Diddly Squat (pun intended) about anything of the farming business. Sadly my uncles farm will just become fallow when he dies.

so the tax dodgers are the wrong'uns. is it not a case of rewording the law?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

so the tax dodgers are the wrong'uns. is it not a case of rewording the law?

Easiest way would be to say there is no IHT to pay if the farm is PROPERLY farmed for 10 years following the death of the farmer .... but of course that doesn't bring in the money Reeves wants/needs.

 

[Nobby]

Not all farmers own the farms.
Use to live in a farming village in Hampshire, the farm and shop has closed, they didn't have a pot to pee in.
Long hours and little return.

Like most workers - but they’re not farmers really just workers.

 

[Nobby]

Yes, many. Far too many living below the poverty line, husband and wife working every hour god sends and children helping out after school.
Stupid, ignorant question .

But they’re not farmers. They’re farm workers or just tenants. They don’t own the farms. Clarkson is a rich ass
Don’t talk to me about farmers and being ignorant. I have a lot of personal experience of the people who have to work for farmers. They’re treated worse than any other form of workers.