Christians killed

[daveinprague]

UKIP are a good fun party but have too much of a high ratio of nut jobs and hardly a threat.

Well, the vast majority of the population realize this but, there are some hopeful folks on NSC.

 

[SAC]

UKIP are a good fun party but have too much of a high ratio of nut jobs and hardly a threat.

I assume you are a member?

 

[jimbob5]

Well, the vast majority of the population realize this but, there are some hopeful folks on NSC.

well I refer to a socialist party lecture in Clapham [not exactly Brize Norton]. Attendance: NIL. Make of that what you want.

 

[W.C.]

ask a simple question, get a thumbs down in response

 

[jimbob5]

I assume you are a member?

what makes an ass of u and me?

 

[Hastings gull]

I am not complaining I am happy to continue discussing and debating such things. However one of my major points about this is the lack of balance when looking at posts of this nature. People can post what they like, of course they can, but they must expect to be challenged in their ideas when they are as provocative and inaccurate as the OP's.



I can't agree with the premise of this statement as wearing a headscarf does not demonstrate a link to ISIL. That was the blokes opinion but actually it was just an normal islamic headscarf (I think they look really nice myself, I have been trying to get my wife to wear one backwards for years BOOM BOOM)



I would suggest that if you are chucking people off a boat to their death because of their religion then you are somewhat fanatical. These are not the actions of moderate or average people.

I think the short answer to this is yes, but it really is hard to know just how comparable this is.

I was getting my figures from this article, not sure of their accuaracy but I haven't seen anything that disputes them as yet so i am going with them for now.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...ou-are-probably-wrong-about-almost-everything

Thanks again. Yes, I had interpreted your post as wearing a headscarf representing ISIL, so a misunderstanding all round. Thank you for conceding that it was not well written -appreciated, as I was doubting myself more than usual! I really don't think the lack of balance is an issue on a forum, as you are free to challenge, as you say, and even start a thread yourself. A provocative post is only thus in the eye of the beholder, of course, to coin a phrase - what provokes you, does not necessarily provoke others, and vice versa.

Regarding the idea of fanaticism, I think we are playing with words. Of course you are right in that this action is the work of fanaticism but can I put it this way? If I had said the day before that that boatload contained yet more muslim fanatics, who will prove to be a danger to Europe, you would have justifiably lambasted me for tarring everyone with the same brush etc etc. So, given that the actions of ISIS only have apparently very limited support from muslims, it is reasonable to suppose that the occupants were "moderate" muslims, albeit by Middle East standards. Yet these so-called moderate muslims were able to turn fanatically murderous, when an argument about religion turned nasty. If they can, how many others can, and would they prove to be ideal citizens in a western democracy, which values tolerance, freedom of speech, openness with regard to sexuality etc etc.

 

[Hastings gull]

there is no excuse for abuse in the street or wherever, but then one might equally argue that wearing a headscarf which demonstrates a link to ISIL is equally provocative and does nothing for community relations.
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Please tell me youre not being serious here?

Please tell me that you have read what the original post said about the ambiguity and if that doesn't help, also please then tell me what you are getting at.

 

[fat old seagull]

I'm not getting the point you're trying to make here? I am more than willing to accept I'm missing something obvious!

You are not alone, I am equally confused

But just in case it's trying to draw us out......Allah Akbar!

 

[daveinprague]

Please tell me that you have read what the original post said about the ambiguity and if that doesn't help, also please then tell me what you are getting at.

Yes, I read it before you did
I asked if you were being serious as it seemed completely loony...and I know youre not.

 

[Hastings gull]

Yes, I read it before you did
I asked if you were being serious as it seemed completely loony...and I know youre not.

Thanks for the compliment - I now feel guilty about my sarcastic tone. Apologies.