[News] Chris Kaba .. Justice served ?

[Lenny Rider]

I’m sure it’s not connected to the Kaba case, but we appear to be taking the knee again, or at least for the last two weeks for Newcastle and Wolves, I thought all the clubs collectively decided to stop this?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I’m sure it’s not connected to the Kaba case, but we appear to be taking the knee again, or at least for the last two weeks for Newcastle and Wolves, I thought all the clubs collectively decided to stop this?

It now happens a few times a season. Normally opening weekend, Xmas games, last game of the season and games designated to promote the Kick It Out campaign which is what these last two matches have been for.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Met Police: Officer who shot Chris Kaba dead faces watchdog probe

Sgt Martyn Blake was cleared of murder, and the Met Police argued he should face no further action.

www.bbc.co.uk

Is a murder trial not enough?

 

[dsr-burnley]

Met Police: Officer who shot Chris Kaba dead faces watchdog probe

Sgt Martyn Blake was cleared of murder, and the Met Police argued he should face no further action.

www.bbc.co.uk

Is a murder trial not enough?

Kaba was a criminal with a record of gun offences driving a car used in an armed robbery and attempting to drive it at policemen. If it's misconduct to shoot him, then it's misconduct to shoot anyone - shouldn't they just stop the police carrying guns if that's the rule?

(I suspect it will discourage most of them anyway.)

 

[carlzeiss]

Kaba was a criminal with a record of gun offences driving a car used in an armed robbery and attempting to drive it at policemen. If it's misconduct to shoot him, then it's misconduct to shoot anyone - shouldn't they just stop the police carrying guns if that's the rule?

(I suspect it will discourage most of them anyway.)

Hopefully Police officers with authorization to use armed weapons will show their support for their colleague by refusing take to part in incidents where the use of guns is called for

 

[Sussexscots]

Wouldn't be surprised if a number AFO's turn in their tickets and ask to be returned to regular duties.

The officer has faced criminal charges and been acquitted. That should have been the end of it.

 

[The Optimist]

I haven’t read enough to be sure, but from what I have read the fact that he faced a criminal trial with the prospect of a murder conviction was extremely harsh.

 

[GT49er]

Kaba was a criminal with a record of gun offences driving a car used in an armed robbery and attempting to drive it at policemen. If it's misconduct to shoot him, then it's misconduct to shoot anyone - shouldn't they just stop the police carrying guns if that's the rule?

(I suspect it will discourage most of them anyway.)

The fact that Kaba was a nasty piece of work and the planet is a better place without him stealing oxygen is irrelevant in a case like this. The only question is, was the use of fire-arms justified by the circumstances at the moment the shot was fired. A jury has considered the evidence and decided it was, so not murder. Quite right too.
The rather mealy mouthed justification of further persecution of the officer by the Director of the IOPC smacks heavily of giving in to pressure from persons with an agenda.

 

[LamieRobertson]

The fact that Kaba was a nasty piece of work and the planet is a better place without him stealing oxygen is irrelevant in a case like this. The only question is, was the use of fire-arms justified by the circumstances at the moment the shot was fired. A jury has considered the evidence and decided it was, so not murder. Quite right too.
The rather mealy mouthed justification of further persecution of the officer by the Director of the IOPC smacks heavily of giving in to pressure from persons with an agenda.

If I recall correctly a lot of officers temporarily at least handed in their fire arms as a sort of protest against the trial….wouldnt be surprised to see it happen again

 

[The Optimist]

The incident happened in 2022. So the officer in question has had this hanging over his head for over 2.5 years and there’s quite a strong likelihood that he was following protocol / his training and did what he was supposed to do. That seems like a really shit deal for taking on a very tough job.

To me the risk of all of this is that in the future a firearms officer hesitates to shoot when they should and the person they should have shot kills other people.

I’m not well read on this case so if anyone can explain why there’s real reason to think the police officer did the wrong thing I’d be interested to hear it.

 

[METALMICKY]

The incident happened in 2022. So the officer in question has had this hanging over his head for over 2.5 years and there’s quite a strong likelihood that he was following protocol / his training and did what he was supposed to do. That seems like a really shit deal for taking on a very tough job.

To me the risk of all of this is that in the future a firearms officer hesitates to shoot when they should and the person they should have shot kills other people.

I’m not well read on this case so if anyone can explain why there’s real reason to think the police officer did the wrong thing I’d be interested to hear it.

The logical thought is that he made a serious procedural error. However, the cynic in me thinks they still feel obliged to offer him up as some form of appeasement even if he was cleared of murder.

As previous posters have suggested the number of officers willing to be armed could seriously suffer. I was surprised to learn that that they don't get paid anymore for taking on the massive extra responsibility.

 

[The Optimist]

The logical thought is that he made a serious procedural error. However, the cynic in me thinks they still feel obliged to offer him up as some form of appeasement even if he was cleared of murder.

I’d be really interested to know if any evidence was presented at his trial that said he deviated from his training/ procedures for deciding when to shoot.

 

[Zeberdi]

I’d be really interested to know if any evidence was presented at his trial that said he deviated from his training/ procedures for deciding when to shoot.

That’s an issue for the internal police misconduct hearing.

They concluded there was enough evidence presented at the criminal trial to proceed with a misconduct hearing despite him being cleared of criminal liability. The threshold for disciplinary action is much lower than the threshold for criminal sanction:

IOPC concludes Met officer should face misconduct hearing over Chris Kaba shooting | Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC)

www.policeconduct.gov.uk

 

[GT49er]

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