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The Albion morning after: Seagulls shown exactly why they need to solve striking problem


Published on Monday 20 August 2012 17:28

If ever there was an indication as to why Gus Poyet needs to address his attacking options, this was it.

For large chunks of the 90 minutes on Humberside, Brighton & Hove Albion passed the ball round intelligently, controlling possession but posing little or no threat to the Hull City goal.

While it would be unfair to say Ben Amos’ clean sheet was never in doubt – Craig Mackail-Smith struck the bar and Craig Noone twice went agonisingly close to breaking the deadlock – the fans who had made the long trip to East Ridings could have been forgiven for thinking they had seen all this before.

An away performance with plenty of possession but little penetration. It was the story of many a road trip last season and, frustratingly, looks like being a similar story this time round.

A more varied style of play did at times threaten to unlock the undoubted potential menace of Mackail-Smith but, for all his trademark toil and endeavour, he did not look like adding to his increasingly concerning 10 goals in more than 50 games since joining from Peterborough for a record £2.5million fee.

For large swathes of last season, Poyet persisted in a 433 formation which so often failed to get the ball forward and into the feet of the Scottish livewire early enough. Saturday’s game showed signs that Poyet had finally realised he would have to adjust his purist approach to get the best out of Mackail-Smith. Longer balls were employed at times when, last season, Poyet would have leapt from the bench to howl at his players to keep it on the floor.

It worked, to some extent, and that more direct but no less pleasing on the eye style will surely prove fruitful. This isn’t about knocking hopeful balls forward, rather getting the ball from the back four into the likes of Gary Dicker far more quickly. It gives opponents less time to set up and prevents the centre backs from being isolated in possession.

Nevertheless, despite the improvements, Mackail-Smith – and Brighton – once again drew a blank. Once Hull City had exploited Ashley Barnes’ attempt to cover an out of position Bruno for the only goal of the game, the mumblings among the Albion faithful were that of the need for a new centre forward.

Some spoke of Bobby Zamora – obviously ignoring his £50k plus a week wages, the fact he would be in demand from Premier League clubs if QPR did decide to sell and the reality that, if the Albion could not afford the £2.5million striker in Hull’s line-up, they would certainly be priced out of a move for the one-time Withdean goal-grabber.

Plenty of names have been banded about in recent weeks, not least that of Amex pantomime villain in chief Glenn Murray. The fact is, had Poyet done more to convince Murray to stay put, he probably wouldn’t have needed to splash the cash on Mackail-Smith to start with.

But, move Murray did, and Brighton do not seem to have found a genuine replacement for him. Poyet has long identified the need to find someone to either play alongside Mackail-Smith or replace him at the focal point of the Albion attack.

Mackail-Smith remains a potent threat, but only if the Albion can find a way of playing to his strengths. The defeat at Hull City showed glimpses of a new direction but, even if Mackail-Smith can start finding the net more regularly, the Stripes still need at least one more striker in their squad.

Chairman Tony Bloom told the Albion’s excellent fanzine team (the seagull love review) a new centre forward would arrive before September. He added that it would NOT be Bobby Z.

Whoever it is, their arrival can’t come soon enough.

Kuszczak 7, Bruno 6, Bridge 7, Greer 7, El Abd 7, Dicker 7, Crofts 6, Bridcutt 8, Barnes 5, Mackail-Smith 6, Noone 6. Subs: Lua Lua 7, Agdestein 6.


Very interesting. Is it written by someone from NSC? It sums up most of our feelings I think. Bad news about Bobby Z though.
 








Seagull over Canaryland

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Wouldn't disagree with 90% of that report. An honest assessment of our position and not a million miles from the tone of many recent threads on here about finding the back of the net. Not exactly front page news, so thanks for telling us what we already know. What is correct are the positives from the Hull game - the style of our play appears to have become more direct and yes we did appear to to try the early balls up to CMS or out to Nooney/KLL plus there seemed to be a willingness to take a shot from outside the box rather than keep doing the tippy-tappy build up on every move. This helped create a very persistent threat at the KC. Plus I didn't see Gus throwing his toys out of the pram because we tried something other than plan 'A' so thats very encouraging.

Yes the report is crushing about CMS when the lack of goals isn't entirely down to him, he probably had about a third of our decent chances at Hull and probably the best chances fell to others. Everyone left their shooting boots in their locker on Saturday. Secondly although the tactics changed CMS still didn't get the support he needed quickly enough. When he broke in a wider position there was rarely anyone arriving for him to put in on goal so was obliged to have a speculative effort himself - thats not his fault.

The worrying comment in the report is about 'getting balls into the likes of Gary Dicker far more quickly'. Ok thats true and Dicker had an ok game by his standard but he isn't the sharpest cookie and does take him time to control the ball, look up and think about where to offload the ball but this was a rather poor Hull side, so he probably isn't going to frighten the better teams in the Championship. Whereas I suspect that Vicente's vision would have cut Hull to ribbons. It will be interesting to see who makes way for Vicente when he is fit. I dont think it will be Bridders, Crofts or one of the wide men so assume it will be Dicker, unless Barnes warms the bench which seems unlikely?

Anyway I really enjoyed the game at Hull apart from the crap result. If other teams let us do play in that style then we will really batter them. Bring on Cardiff.
 


Rich Suvner

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Why would anyone in Chichester care what the Albion were up to?

Surely they only care about Pompey, Saints, Reading and Oxford?
 




WildWood

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Sep 6, 2011
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Whoooaaa!!! Back the truck up a second - season ticket in the North Stand travelling from Chichester each & every time thank you very much!!!
 


pork pie

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Why would anyone in Chichester care what the Albion were up to?

Surely they only care about Pompey, Saints, Reading and Oxford?

It always used to be split between Brighton and Pompy in that area? I guess we are the most attractive of the two now? What have the other three clubs you mention got to do with anything? Ever looked at a map?
 






skipper734

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It's that Walt Jabsco chappie init. Hastings Observer, Chichester Observer he must have more readers than Mr Naylor. What's more he's quite good.
 


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Why would anyone in Chichester care what the Albion were up to?

Surely they only care about Pompey, Saints, Reading and Oxford?

The Silliest ever post i have seen on here for many years, i can only assume you are a JCL.
 








Mr Burns

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The Albion morning after: Seagulls shown exactly why they need to solve striking problem


Published on Monday 20 August 2012 17:28

If ever there was an indication as to why Gus Poyet needs to address his attacking options, this was it.

For large chunks of the 90 minutes on Humberside, Brighton & Hove Albion passed the ball round intelligently, controlling possession but posing little or no threat to the Hull City goal.

While it would be unfair to say Ben Amos’ clean sheet was never in doubt – Craig Mackail-Smith struck the bar and Craig Noone twice went agonisingly close to breaking the deadlock – the fans who had made the long trip to East Ridings could have been forgiven for thinking they had seen all this before.

An away performance with plenty of possession but little penetration. It was the story of many a road trip last season and, frustratingly, looks like being a similar story this time round.

A more varied style of play did at times threaten to unlock the undoubted potential menace of Mackail-Smith but, for all his trademark toil and endeavour, he did not look like adding to his increasingly concerning 10 goals in more than 50 games since joining from Peterborough for a record £2.5million fee.

For large swathes of last season, Poyet persisted in a 433 formation which so often failed to get the ball forward and into the feet of the Scottish livewire early enough. Saturday’s game showed signs that Poyet had finally realised he would have to adjust his purist approach to get the best out of Mackail-Smith. Longer balls were employed at times when, last season, Poyet would have leapt from the bench to howl at his players to keep it on the floor.

It worked, to some extent, and that more direct but no less pleasing on the eye style will surely prove fruitful. This isn’t about knocking hopeful balls forward, rather getting the ball from the back four into the likes of Gary Dicker far more quickly. It gives opponents less time to set up and prevents the centre backs from being isolated in possession.

Nevertheless, despite the improvements, Mackail-Smith – and Brighton – once again drew a blank. Once Hull City had exploited Ashley Barnes’ attempt to cover an out of position Bruno for the only goal of the game, the mumblings among the Albion faithful were that of the need for a new centre forward.

Some spoke of Bobby Zamora – obviously ignoring his £50k plus a week wages, the fact he would be in demand from Premier League clubs if QPR did decide to sell and the reality that, if the Albion could not afford the £2.5million striker in Hull’s line-up, they would certainly be priced out of a move for the one-time Withdean goal-grabber.

Plenty of names have been banded about in recent weeks, not least that of Amex pantomime villain in chief Glenn Murray. The fact is, had Poyet done more to convince Murray to stay put, he probably wouldn’t have needed to splash the cash on Mackail-Smith to start with.

But, move Murray did, and Brighton do not seem to have found a genuine replacement for him. Poyet has long identified the need to find someone to either play alongside Mackail-Smith or replace him at the focal point of the Albion attack.

Mackail-Smith remains a potent threat, but only if the Albion can find a way of playing to his strengths. The defeat at Hull City showed glimpses of a new direction but, even if Mackail-Smith can start finding the net more regularly, the Stripes still need at least one more striker in their squad.

Chairman Tony Bloom told the Albion’s excellent fanzine team (the seagull love review) a new centre forward would arrive before September. He added that it would NOT be Bobby Z.

Whoever it is, their arrival can’t come soon enough.

Kuszczak 7, Bruno 6, Bridge 7, Greer 7, El Abd 7, Dicker 7, Crofts 6, Bridcutt 8, Barnes 5, Mackail-Smith 6, Noone 6. Subs: Lua Lua 7, Agdestein 6.


Very interesting. Is it written by someone from NSC? It sums up most of our feelings I think. Bad news about Bobby Z though.
Seems to know what's they are talking about. Hard to argue with most of that! Other than CMS was never a replacement for Murray. Nice to see Poyet is attempting to change things, albeit it slightly. Been saying most of this for months now. How dare he give Ashley lowest marks out of the whole team though. Shocking behaviour:ohmy:
 


It's that Walt Jabsco chappie init. Hastings Observer, Chichester Observer he must have more readers than Mr Naylor. What's more he's quite good.
I'm guessing not. It's the same report that appears in the Sussex Express. Could be Will Muir, recently introduced as "our brand new columnist", who has done a few stories on the Albion.
 






cirC

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Jul 26, 2004
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Tupnorth
A friend of mine,a Hull supporter had asked me if I fancied going with him to the game.Having had some knee surgery a week ago I declined but I met him yesterday and his view of the game was,Albion should have scored at least 10 before Hull popped in the winner.He was as happy as a pig in poo,likening Hulls victory to a Dick Turpin escapade.
Some form from the hitmen and we should do very well.My mate reckons we will be up in the top six no probs,as long as we get some form from the strikers.
 
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Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Wouldn't disagree with 90% of that report. An honest assessment of our position and not a million miles from the tone of many recent threads on here about finding the back of the net. Not exactly front page news, so thanks for telling us what we already know. What is correct are the positives from the Hull game - the style of our play appears to have become more direct and yes we did appear to to try the early balls up to CMS or out to Nooney/KLL plus there seemed to be a willingness to take a shot from outside the box rather than keep doing the tippy-tappy build up on every move. This helped create a very persistent threat at the KC. Plus I didn't see Gus throwing his toys out of the pram because we tried something other than plan 'A' so thats very encouraging.

Yes the report is crushing about CMS when the lack of goals isn't entirely down to him, he probably had about a third of our decent chances at Hull and probably the best chances fell to others. Everyone left their shooting boots in their locker on Saturday. Secondly although the tactics changed CMS still didn't get the support he needed quickly enough. When he broke in a wider position there was rarely anyone arriving for him to put in on goal so was obliged to have a speculative effort himself - thats not his fault.

The worrying comment in the report is about 'getting balls into the likes of Gary Dicker far more quickly'. Ok thats true and Dicker had an ok game by his standard but he isn't the sharpest cookie and does take him time to control the ball, look up and think about where to offload the ball but this was a rather poor Hull side, so he probably isn't going to frighten the better teams in the Championship. Whereas I suspect that Vicente's vision would have cut Hull to ribbons. It will be interesting to see who makes way for Vicente when he is fit. I dont think it will be Bridders, Crofts or one of the wide men so assume it will be Dicker, unless Barnes warms the bench which seems unlikely?

Anyway I really enjoyed the game at Hull apart from the crap result. If other teams let us do play in that style then we will really batter them. Bring on Cardiff.

Did you really think that Hull were rather poor?
On another note, since Hull moved into the KC stadium we've never scored a single goal there let alone won a match. Similarly the MK Dons stadium. What an odd thing?
 


skipper734

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Brighton Breezy

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So Sussex Express as well. You do have more readers than Andy Naylor. Well done Walt.

It does not go in print. I basically do some Albion online coverage as an extra to my news work so won't be anywhere near as comprehensive as The Argus manages. I tend to think they do a pretty good job.

Albion stuff goes on the websites of all my company's papers across Sussex, which is basically everything but The Argus.
 


Lifelong Supporter

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Aug 4, 2009
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I reckon that was a really good unbiased, knowledgeable report. I wonder what the reaction of the club would be if the Argus printed something like that !!! I think though it is needed.
 


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