Chelsea v Barca- Embarrassing

[Man of Harveys]

I didn't watch the game last night but I'd say the point is that, if the authorities wanted to stop players intimidating the referee or Wayne Rooney shouting "f*** off" at the ref 50 times a game, they could stop it easily. But the truth is that the "passion" (note the quotes) being demonstrated by players acting like big babies is, I reckon, quite televisual and the authorities don't have a problem with games being punctuated with flashpoints like that. It's bollocks of course but there we are.

 

[tedebear]

Any player waving an imaginary card at the ref should be yellow carded instantly for unsporting conduct.

I sort of agree - but if someone takes an academy award winning dive to the floor and isn't rewared with a card, and then someone asks the ref to card the actor, and then he gets a card himself?? Not really fair in my book!

 

[watsongooal]

Any player waving an imaginary card at the ref should be yellow carded instantly for unsporting conduct.

But then what happens if another player waves a card in the air to remind the ref that he has to book the original player who was waving a card. Would he get booked?

 

[dwayne]

the most cringe-worthy bit was watching Mourhino slide to his knees when Chelski scored...with a suit on. It was like something out of a cheesy American Football movie.

 

[tedebear]

the most cringe-worthy bit was watching Mourhino slide to his knees when Chelski scored...with a suit on. It was like something out of a cheesy American Football movie.

Thats what we thought - and the fact he'll need a new suit - but suits to him would be a dime a dozen....bit the same for you hey richboy Dwaynster?

 

[Icy Gull]

I sort of agree - but if someone takes an academy award winning dive to the floor and isn't rewared with a card, and then someone asks the ref to card the actor, and then he gets a card himself?? Not really fair in my book!

Having a word with the ref should be the domain of the captain and is absolutely ok,but a number of players running around wild eyed or surrounding the ref shouting or waving an imaginary card are very different though aren't they?

 

[tedebear]

Having a word with the ref should be the domain of the captain and is absolutely ok,but a number of players running around wild eyed or surrounding the ref shouting or waving an imaginary card are very different though aren't they?

Agreed - but why aren't the ref's carding the divers? That would stop the whole debacle in the first place!

 

[watsongooal]

the most cringe-worthy bit was watching Mourhino slide to his knees when Chelski scored...with a suit on. It was like something out of a cheesy American Football movie.

Did you see the Steward run on and have a pushing match with one of the Chelski staff?

 

[Icy Gull]

the most cringe-worthy bit was watching Mourhino slide to his knees when Chelski scored...with a suit on. It was like something out of a cheesy American Football movie.

My first thought was "whoops he's gonna have to go around with grass stains on his suit knees like a small kid for the rest of the game and post match interviews"

 

[Hiney]

the most cringe-worthy bit was watching Mourhino slide to his knees when Chelski scored...with a suit on. It was like something out of a cheesy American Football movie.

The problem was - the knees weren't quite SHINY enough for the slide to work properly and he sort of shuddered to a halt after about 6 inches - priceless

 

[Icy Gull]

Agreed - but why aren't the ref's carding the divers? That would stop the whole debacle in the first place!

Not always easy to spot a definite dive without tv replays though is it. Apart from the rolling over 5 times it's often difficult to be certain it's a dive without a tv replay. Those there Johnny Foreigners are pretty adept at faking a foul, rolling around in feigned agony just makes me want to see them booked, even if it was a foul.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

But then what happens if another player waves a card in the air to remind the ref that he has to book the original player who was waving a card. Would he get booked?

yes, yes he would...

and if introducing an automatic red card for any attempt to intimidate the referee led to some games ending up 9 v 8 for a few weeks then I'd live with that too...

also, WHY are managers allowed onto the field at the end of the game to remonstrate publicly with the referee? this ridiculous behaviour should result in an immediate one year ban from the touchline with a three year ban from managing at all on a repeat offence..

 

[Stumpy Tim]

The problem of diving is 100% ruining football, no doubt about it... and English players are just as bad as any other. Owen & Beckham have dived regularly over the years.

I trace it back to FIFA telling refs to book players for almost all offences. Let's be honest, as a fan at a game you want to see a bit of fisty-cuffs at a match - you want the game to be at boiling point. Players can't risk it anymore & so we see prima-donna's shining. And there's a larger incentive to dive as you can get the opposing team reduced to ten men pretty easily

By the way, I have suggested going back with a video panel to review alleged dives after games - and punishing offending players with bans. They do video panels in rugby league over here every week & it works well

 

[tedebear]

Not always easy to spot a definite dive without tv replays though is it. Apart from the rolling over 5 times it's often difficult to be certain it's a dive without a tv replay. Those there Johnny Foreigners are pretty adept at faking a foul, rolling around in feigned agony just makes me want to see them booked, even if it was a foul.

No its not easy granted - but a few more red cards would certainly nip it in the bud somewhat! I honestly no longer care whether they are injured or not....we are at the stage where they are NEVER injured, so in my view - at the moment its always a dive!

 

[tedebear]

The problem was - the knees weren't quite SHINY enough for the slide to work properly and he sort of shuddered to a halt after about 6 inches - priceless

The shuddering juddery stop was the best! Made me laugh at him (not with him)!

 

[Commander]

The problem of diving is 100% ruining football, no doubt about it... and English players are just as bad as any other. Owen & Beckham have dived regularly over the years.

I trace it back to FIFA telling refs to book players for almost all offences. Let's be honest, as a fan at a game you want to see a bit of fisty-cuffs at a match - you want the game to be at boiling point. Players can't risk it anymore & so we see prima-donna's shining. And there's a larger incentive to dive as you can get the opposing team reduced to ten men pretty easily

By the way, I have suggested going back with a video panel to review alleged dives after games - and punishing offending players with bans. They do video panels in rugby league over here every week & it works well

Totally agree. My 6-a-side game got a bit feisty last night, and I shoved a player in the chest and told him to f*** off. He shoved me back and walked off. Neither of us felt the need to roll around on the floor as if we'd been shot, and we shook hands at the end of the game. What's the problem with that?

If FIFA looked at video evidence after the game, and banned anyone who was 100% proved guilty of diving for five games, it would soon stop. Can you imagine the bollocking Ferguson or someone would give a player who got himself banned for five games for cheating? That would make him think about doing it again in a hurry.

If someone loses their rag in a game and punches someone then they get banned for three games for violent conduct, and rightly so- obviously there is no place for that on a football pitch- but with the pressure involved and the adrenaline flowing it happens from time to time. However, it's not cheating. Dving is cheating, as is taking steroids. If you get caught taking steroids you get banned for years. Diving is just a lesser version of that IMHO.

 

[Goodfella]

I blame the ref totally, as he should of taken control from the outset.

Congrats to Chelsea though, great result.

 

[The Large One]

I blame the ref totally, as he should of taken control from the outset.

But there's the paradox. For a start, you're looking in the wrong direction for blame.

You said, 'he should have taken control...'. He shouldn't HAVE to 'take control'. If the players had played with the same level of professionalism as their salaries dictate, there wouldn't have been a situation to have to take control of.

As it was, the ref, although not perfect, did take control of pretty much of all the game. Even to the extent the Frank Rijkaard made a complete prat of himself by remonstrating with the ref about the excess injury time. If the players hadn't been rolling around - plus the nasty, genuine injury to Eidur Gudjohnsen - there wouldn't have been six minutes. That man should be looking closer to home for reasons.

No matter how the ref would have played it, the players would have misbehaved last night. Which, for me, is a disgrace.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

As it was, the ref, although not perfect, did take control of pretty much of all the game. Even to the extent the Frank Rijkaard made a complete prat of himself by remonstrating with the ref about the excess injury time. If the players hadn't been rolling around - plus the nasty, genuine injury to Eidur Gudjohnsen - there wouldn't have been six minutes. That man should be looking closer to home for reasons.

Frank did indeed make a bit of a tit of himself.

the ref actually only played just over 5 minutes anyway, and Chelski scored after 3 of them. Eidur's injury alone probably accounted for that much.

 

[keaton]

The problem of diving is 100% ruining football, no doubt about it... and English players are just as bad as any other. Owen & Beckham have dived regularly over the years.

I trace it back to FIFA telling refs to book players for almost all offences. Let's be honest, as a fan at a game you want to see a bit of fisty-cuffs at a match - you want the game to be at boiling point. Players can't risk it anymore & so we see prima-donna's shining. And there's a larger incentive to dive as you can get the opposing team reduced to ten men pretty easily

By the way, I have suggested going back with a video panel to review alleged dives after games - and punishing offending players with bans. They do video panels in rugby league over here every week & it works well

i can't remember Beckham ever diving.