Ched Evans

[Thunder Bolt]

Well maybe reading that he was wrong to be allowed to play again. Had this happened today and the way the internet and media works now, he may have had the same problems or even bigger ones than Ched.

Do you think it was right for Hughes to have ever played football again?

That's my whole point. The media and internet have exaggerated it a lot more than other convicted criminals. I'm not saying it's right, but there does seem to be a bandwagon everyone is jumping on.

 

[Triggaaar]

Well maybe reading that he was wrong to be allowed to play again. Had this happened today and the way the internet and media works now, he may have had the same problems or even bigger ones than Ched.

Indeed. Some of the discussion about this case brings up other cases, like Dirty Den - would a convicted murderer now be able to work on Eastenders? And is it right that the decision is made by the public, rather than the law?

 

[dazzer6666]

Who here is defending him, and what have they said?
So what if he got a job working on a building site - should those employees refuse to work with him too?

Personally I'm morally torn about his possible return. On the one hand I don't think a convicted rapist deserves such a privileged career (but maybe that's partly jealousy), and on the other hand I certainly think that ex-convicts should be able to work again, and since the law (rightly or wrongly) is that he can work in football, I don't feel easy about mob rule preventing someone from doing so.

Don't know to be honest, can't see builders being any different than anyone else - if they knew, some would, some wouldn't I suspect. I share your thoughts - got to be some form of rehabilitation at some point.....but this is probably too high profile and too soon, and he hasn't help himself

 

[Bold Seagull]

Feel sorry for the Oldham fans. Know how I would feel desperate for my team to win, but feeling sickened by the prospect of celebrating an Albion goal scored by a rapist.

 

[spring hall convert]

That's my whole point. The media and internet have exaggerated it a lot more than other convicted criminals. I'm not saying it's right, but there does seem to be a bandwagon everyone is jumping on.

But that's exactly the point of the other side. Just because other people got away with it in the past doesn't make Evans behaviour any less reprehensible. The Hughes, McCormack, King argument is a complete irrelvance, it's like a child screaming "It's not fair..."

 

[symyjym]

That's my whole point. The media and internet have exaggerated it a lot more than other convicted criminals. I'm not saying it's right, but there does seem to be a bandwagon everyone is jumping on.

I wouldn’t say exaggerated, just that the information is more accessible and interactive. Out of interest was there a Hughes thread on NSC at the time?

 

[Triggaaar]

But that's exactly the point of the other side. Just because other people got away with it in the past doesn't make Evans behaviour any less reprehensible. The Hughes, McCormack, King argument is a complete irrelvance

The past cases simply highlight that things are being treated differently now, and raise the question as to whether that's right or wrong. Put simply, is it right for public opinion to be the deciding factor in what profession ex-convicts are allowed to have?

 

[spring hall convert]

The past cases simply highlight that things are being treated differently now, and raise the question as to whether that's right or wrong. Put simply, is it right for public opinion to be the deciding factor in what profession ex-convicts are allowed to have?

I said it way back on this thread the FA needs to have policy in this area, like the NFL does. It's no good them covering their ears and closing their eyes.

 

[symyjym]

Indeed. Some of the discussion about this case brings up other cases, like Dirty Den - would a convicted murderer now be able to work on Eastenders? And is it right that the decision is made by the public, rather than the law?

I am not too sure if the BBC knew of his conviction when they took him on, but I remember it came to light later on in his Eastenders career. I am not too sure if a murderer would get the same employment today. John Lesley hasn't made a comeback yet.

 

[spring hall convert]

That may be the answer for future cases. I'm not sure they should apply it to past cases.

100% agreed.

Their head in the sand mentality contributed to the media frenzy.

 

[Triggaaar]

I said it way back on this thread the FA needs to have policy in this area, like the NFL does.

That may be the answer for future cases. I'm not sure they should apply it to past cases.

 

[Triggaaar]

I am not too sure if the BBC knew of his conviction when they took him on

Did they not notice a massive gap in his CV?

 

[Hillian1]

The past cases simply highlight that things are being treated differently now, and raise the question as to whether that's right or wrong. Put simply, is it right for public opinion to be the deciding factor in what profession ex-convicts are allowed to have?

Put simply, in any other profession be it a builder or accountant, the company that employs the ex-convict is probably not expecting their customers, who will range from Pensioners to Children, to turn up and clap and cheer their staff.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I said it way back on this thread the FA needs to have policy in this area, like the NFL does. It's no good them covering their ears and closing their eyes.

Me too. Triggaaar even replied and agreed with me on that very post where I said the FA/PFA needs to review it's Code of Conduct so that it has a set policy outlining the exclusion of players following serious offences or breaches of behaviour as set out in the code. They are responsible for the reputation of the game. They should look at other professional codes like the RIBA, RICS, Law Society, GMC etc. and realise that as well as protecting its members they should have policies in place to protect the reputation of the game.

 

[Triggaaar]

100% agreed.

You've agreed with what I've said before I said it.

He's a witch - burn him!

 

[symyjym]

Did they not notice a massive gap in his CV?

I couldn't comment on the BBC during the 70's and 80's.

 

[Triggaaar]

Put simply, in any other profession be it a builder or accountant, the company that employs the ex-convict is probably not expecting their customers, who will range from Pensioners to Children, to turn up and clap and cheer their staff.

Yes, I understand that, and I can see why it could be good for the FA to have rules regarding the employment of ex-convicts. But they don't, and so we're left with the public trying to make a decision, which is dangerous.

 

[Mattywerewolf]

Yes, I understand that, and I can see why it could be good for the FA to have rules regarding the employment of ex-convicts. But they don't, and so we're left with the public trying to make a decision, which is dangerous.

Yes they should - It may be difficult to do anything meaningful which is legal. I'm not sure they will be allowed to say he is not allowed to work having served his sentence for example.

 

[BensGrandad]

So you are sticking by your original suggestion that it would have been a good idea for the FA to pay for a unrepentant, convicted, rapist to play football?

No to reimburse the club,who are one of their members., for the loss of revenue if sponsors pulled out for whatever reason. They have a duty to protect their members and if they considered the club at fault invoke what ever rules apply.

 

[Clive Walker]

can anyone sum up the last 119 pages for me?