- Nov 11, 2009
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still only 31..... was Stokes keeper when they went up
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still only 31..... was Stokes keeper when they went up
Lenny Rider
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- Sep 15, 2010
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On another serious note, how many men languish in prison this afternoon victims of false rape allegations? Could Ched Evans be yet another miscarriage of justice?
severnside gull
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brightn'ove
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how many rapists walk the streets freely because of a lack of evidence, poor policing or reluctance of a victim to report it?
Lenny Rider
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Probably slightly less than the amount of innocent men in prison over the years.
Myths about rape conviction rates are putting people off going to the police | Amanda Bancroft | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
"the attrition rate for rape is in the region of 12% ... An attrition rate is the amount of convictions resulting from reports of a crime"
"Sixty-eight per cent of respondents said low conviction rates would make them hesitate to report a rape due to low conviction rates"
"Last week, the court of appeal heard the appeal against conviction in what has become known as Sarah's case. In 2010, 'Sarah' reported that her husband had raped her. After the prosecution had started, she retracted that allegation; then subsequently withdrew the retraction. Sarah was convicted of perverting the course of justice, and sentenced to eight months in prison ... The director of public prosecutions, Keir Starmer, made it clear he was appalled Sarah had been prosecuted, and swiftly changed the guidance so that in future prosecutions can only be brought in such cases with his permission ... I asked Vera Baird ... Sadly, she responded ... that the police would simply use the charge of wasting police time in order to get around the guidelines, and that the Crown Prosecution Service would not change the guidelines for that offence to match the change made to perverting the course of justice."
Wrongful Conviction Statistics Says, in the US, 8-12% of all convictions are wrong.
Crying rape falsely: rare or common? | Straight Statistics Specifically uk rape: "More recent British studies come up with figures of 8-12 per cent".
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brightn'ove
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really? all innocent men convicted over time, compared to all current rapists on the street. so how many unpunished rapists would have walked the streets over say.. the past 50 years? the answer is more than innocent men convicted of rape.
thankyou [MENTION=12595]Acker79[/MENTION] for the evidence
To try to make sense of that, if there were 1000 rapes, 68% of them would not be reported. So, from 1000 rapes there would be 320 reported.
12% of them will result in conviction. So that's, 38.4. So, of 1000 rapes, 38.4 people are convicted, leaving 961.6 rapes without conviction.
Of those convicted, 12% are unsafe or wrong convictions, which means, 4.6.
So, we have the perpetrators of 961 rapes roaming free, with 5 innocent men in prison.
Granted, this assumes each rape is committed by a different individual, and the false imprisonments are due to wrong identity rather than an accusation of an offence that never took place, but the margin of error that would compensate for this is not so large as to completely unbalance things to the degree that it would make the claim that there are more innocent men in prison than guilty rapists roaming free true.
- Jul 7, 2003
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Significantly- SIGNIFICANTLY- less than the number of men who are walking the streets having committed serious offences against women (or men).
I honestly cannot believe you seriously hold that opinion.
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Anecdotally, I've dealt with a large number of victims of rape and sexual assault, and it's unfortunately still quite rare for a conviction to result. Now I know that 99 times out of a hundred, these victims aren't making up allegations for the sake of it (trust me, you'd have to be pretty bloody minded to put yourself through the indignity of a forensic examination just to piss someone else off), therefore I can draw only one conclusion, and that's that there is a significant number of men out there who are walking around, living their lives, having committed offences of rape and got away with it. A rapist isn't always the masked offender who leaps out from behind a bush and attacks a complete stranger.
There does seem to be a myth, perpetrated by certain men who think they have a right to do as they please, that there are legions of predatory women out there just waiting for the chance to ensnare a poor innocent male. Please don't be taken in by this kind of story, which inevitably generates more media attention simply because it is rare and newsworthy. It's almost like some people want to believe it because it suits them better than believing the unpalatable truth.
There does seem to be a myth, perpetrated by certain men who think they have a right to do as they please, that there are legions of predatory women out there just waiting for the chance to ensnare a poor innocent male. Please don't be taken in by this kind of story, which inevitably generates more media attention simply because it is rare and newsworthy. It's almost like some people want to believe it because it suits them better than believing the unpalatable truth.
Mutts Nuts
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- Oct 30, 2011
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He should never play proffesional football again,ever
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I've always thought Hart/Lenny Rider was rather sexist and old fashioned in his views, from what I gathered on here, and that statement confirms things.
BensGrandad
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Why if he either completes his sentence or is freed on appeal should he never play professional football again if he is still young enough and good enough. He could be released in 3 yeas time and will still only be about27/28
Mutts Nuts
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Pretty young footballer like that inside for years constantly shitting himself ,he will be a nervous wreck when he eventualy comes out,hopefully.He does not deserve the privelages proffesional football brings,if it was your daughter or grandaughter that he raped, would you be happy to see him come out and resume where he left off.
Silent Bob
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- Dec 6, 2004
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Is it Ian Hart?
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I believe so!
stripeyshark
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- Dec 20, 2011
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Except Evans has gone to a place with better prospects, facilities and fans.
Silent Bob
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I thought he used to post on here under his own name and have a go at people for posting anonymously, though maybe I dreamed that.