Yeah once you remove from the globe:-
Europe, Australia, New Zealand, China, Asia, America, Canada, Central and South America, and Southern Africa,
The rest of the planet is massive.
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Chambers the drug cheat swears at the cameraman.
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Europe, Australia, New Zealand, China, Asia, America, Canada, Central and South America, and Southern Africa,
The rest of the planet is massive.
del strangefish
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Looks like he's had his legs grafted onto his shoulders.
Lovely, lovely steroids.
Lovely, lovely steroids.
Leekbrookgull
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That is the point.if SPORT is anything it has to be CLEAN. Any spectator needs to know what they see is clean.
No point watching the Spain game tonight, then.
Leekbrookgull
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Yeah,asked for that,really. Look all i ask (and maybe like you and many others) just keep results improvement drugs out of sport. Please.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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His point was that investment in sport necessarily produces champions...the example being that cycling has benefited from money and British cyclists now lead the world. My point was that, despite this cash, his specialist sport has still got its dirty little secrets..investment incentivises cheats..if there was only honour at stake Chambers would have remained what he was. A mid class talent who was never going to make the very top. I would suggest that we have not seen youngsters coming through to displace him because the likeliehood of them being able to afford the very best drugs evasion experts and substances until they get to the top is low. British athletics is the worlds most vigilant anti doping setup. British youngsters do not benefit from the tolerant and collusive ethic that exists in other countries. This is why there is a dearth of talent behind Dwayne. It's much more likely that they will get caught here and the penalties for getting caught are, or we're, far more draconian than in other countries.
The USA has an appalling rate of drugs cheating at college level and onwards. This is because of the massive amount of funding available to the elite. The fact is that the very top athletes tend to get there with a little chemical help. The others know this and will be almost forced to follow suit if they want a top flight career.
Every now and then a talent like Usain Bolt will emerge who is built for greatness and will rise to the top because their build and their DNA lets them beat the world almost effortlessly...everyone else, mere mortals, will be tempted to overcome cruel nature by dosing themselves with growth hormones, blood transfusions or anabolics.
Cycling is a very poor example of how cash can produce champions given the amount of cheats there are in that discipline. Lance Armstrong?? We all have our doubts. Every tour de France throws up another slew of cheats.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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A very good point. It is alo worth reminding everyone at this point that pro football has a rising incidence of doping. Actually it DID have a rising incidence until the latest generation of performance enhancers went beyond the ability of the testers to spot it.
Chambers was on heroic doses of drugs for years and passed many many tests in that period because he spent a huge amount of money on great advice and help. It was only when he got too cocky and stupid that he tripped up. Footballers can afford very very good help.
Most footballers tend to fail recreational drugs tests for Charlie or blow...because they are rich and thick.
Yoda
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It's trying to get that raw talent INTO athletics in the firdst place I'm afraid. A lot of kids seem to want to head for the glamour of football nowadays.
Blimey so much to answer and it's a 'proper' debate.
So I'll start by saying ploppy ploppy pooh pants.
The code of silence that existed came within an inch of ruining the sport for ever
If that were the case, the whole system and people working in it needs to be scrapped, and they are not doing their job properly.
Sadly they probably need to go through the kind of hand wringing death induced trauma, that cycling has had to face up to.
I firmly believe they have been to the last chance saloon, stared it down and are currently on the verge of walking out, better for it.
I don't think any other sport can honestly say that.
Lance's generation were poisonous, they have all but gone now, and the results all show that.
Last years tour, cleanest ever.
This years Giro, not only clean but won by a 100% clean rider, riding for a 100% ethical team.
Team Sky, Garmin, the now closed HTC, would not have won in Lance's era, they wouldn't have been competitive, but thankfully they are now giving the sport more of it's credibility back.
So I'll start by saying ploppy ploppy pooh pants.
It's no secret and to those within the sport never has been.
The code of silence that existed came within an inch of ruining the sport for ever
I can't believe I'm reading this right (it is early), are you saying young raw talent has no chance in England because they can't get a leg up without drugs, and they can't juice in the UK.
If that were the case, the whole system and people working in it needs to be scrapped, and they are not doing their job properly.
An excellent point, but it's a cultural thing, there is minimal outcry when drugs are found in US sport, so it's unlikely to change any time soon.
Sadly they probably need to go through the kind of hand wringing death induced trauma, that cycling has had to face up to.
Cycling, European road cycling, as I said, always had a culture of cheating.
I firmly believe they have been to the last chance saloon, stared it down and are currently on the verge of walking out, better for it.
I don't think any other sport can honestly say that.
Lance's generation were poisonous, they have all but gone now, and the results all show that.
Last years tour, cleanest ever.
This years Giro, not only clean but won by a 100% clean rider, riding for a 100% ethical team.
Team Sky, Garmin, the now closed HTC, would not have won in Lance's era, they wouldn't have been competitive, but thankfully they are now giving the sport more of it's credibility back.
Once again if you can't encourage a child with raw talent into your chosen sport, you shouldn't be in the job.
bravohotelalpha
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Oh so very daily mail .....
I've been here before on NSC.
Yes recreational drugs are a massive problem for the young cash and time rich men in football.
But if people honestly think there's all these performance enhancing techniques available in ALL other sports but not the biggest sport in the world they are deluded.
Football doesn't test as rigorously so all the 'skills' learned in cycling, tennis, athletics et al can be easily applied to soccerballists all hidden by the cloak of money and lawyers.
Sad reading:-
Operación Puerto doping case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The relevant bit:-
On 5 July 2006, Fuentes was indignant that only cyclists had been named and said he also worked with tennis and football players.[52] On 27 July 2006, IAAF was assured by Spanish prosecutors that no track and field athletes were involved.[53] On 23 September 2006, former cyclist Jesús Manzano told reporters from France 3 that he had seen "well-known footballers" from La Liga visit the offices of Dr Fuentes.[54]
In May 2007 Sepp Blatter, president of FIFA, at a World Anti-Doping Agency meeting in Montreal, was reportedly interested in the contents "of the Puerto file".[55] Le Monde had reported in December 2006 that they had possession of documents of Fuentes detailing "seasonal preparation plans" for Spanish football clubs FC Barcelona and Real Madrid. These plans did not specifically name any players.[56] This news seem to be only rumors, since the French journal lost its trials in 2009 and 2011 against the FC Barcelona because he could not produce any proof of its allegations. In the ultimate judgement, on 14 November 2011, it was condemned to pay 15,000 euros of indemnity for "using false and unverified facts".[57]
No other athletes had been named.
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Well yes, I cannot disagree with that. If though there is only a two year ban AND you can still get to compete at the Olympics then something is seriously wrong somewhere.
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There need be no connection with good investment in a sport and a following culture of drug cheats. There are two separate arguments going on here. One of financial imput into a sport to raise the levels at grass roots and the coaching of the subsequent talent to emerge and two, the proper way to deal with cheating within that sport by athletes, coaches and chemists.
I would though prefer to think that the reason Chambers has not been knocked off his perch is more to do with the failure to lure enough kids into athletics like yoda states on here rather than lack of designer drugs.
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That is not correct. The last weeks have seen the schools county athletics championships around the country where the top kids then go to the inter counties and then on to the English schools champs which are covered by Sky tv next month. The amount of kids who do not take up their places in their county teams is ridiculous because they are much more interested in football is always going to be a problem for athletics. The lure of football is always going to be greater, nothing you can do about that. It doesn't,t mean that junior coaches are failing though like you state.
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Which is a shame, as you have to think there must be a few kids out there with the potential to be great. I don't think Jamaica humps millions of dollars at its track programmes for junior sprinters. The difference is, they have the role models in Bolt, Asafa Powell and Yohan Blake, and perhaps the desire and incentive to succeed where British kids don't.
Given the make up of your average 100m final, it does point towards there being some sort of genetic disposition in Afro-Caribbean males towards sprinting, and therefore you'd have thought the talent would be out there somewhere amongst the UK's not inconsiderable population (particularly those of Caribbean heritage) to produce a future champion.
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I liked the boa rule but clearly it can't be used any more, but the IOC have said a rule change will come and drugs cheat will miss one olympics. Not that, that is enough
Maybe I am being too harsh from the outside looking in.
Perhaps Bolt will encourage our county jnrs to stick at, get spotted, and enjoy a life in sport.
All athletes will point to someone, a relative or school teacher (I know another massive can of worms) who encouraged them above and beyond.
There is more money/funding in athletics now, than there ever has been.
Which I assume to mean more coaches and 'proper' coaching sessions.
As these are still obviously not generating any talent better than Chambers, in nearly a generation, something isn't right. Especially when you look at the genetic disposition, of the elite athletes.
It has a 'tennis' feel to it.
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Even the ones who show potential as teenagers seem to stall and go nowhere. Look at Mark Lewis-Francis, he was world class as a junior and tipped for greatness, but has never really progressed. Likewise Harry Aikines-Aryeetey (sp?), the commentators thought he could really push on, but instead he just seems to have become ridiculously ripped- much bulkier than most sprinters- and hasn't ever really made an impact as a senior athlete.
1066familyman
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Just to chip in with a few things. Forgive the ramble, but hopefully you can bear with me.
I've been taking my kids to the Diamond League event at Crystal Palace for the past couple of years (we're going again this year) and it's always sold out. Loads of kids there and in the family stands many of our athletes go in amongst the crowd. Mark lewis-Francis is a particular favourite and sits in with the crowd for most of the meeting usually. Linford spent some time in the family stand last year with some of his athletes and he was mobbed where ever he went. TV coverage of the event, and athletics in general, is excellent, and in Michael Johnson, our coverage has THE best pundit in sport in my humble opinion.
My point is, in terms of competing for kids hearts with football, I'd say UK Athletics is doing pretty well on some fronts. It should also be noted that Usain Bolt in particular will be a role model to lots of our kids, regardless of whether he's a UK athlete or not. In fact, I'd probably argue that him being a Jamaican only adds to his 'coolness' and will encourage even more of our kids to take up athletics.
Contrast this to how some US athletes feel about their sport.
"When we get on the track we know we are taking part in a dying sport." That was a recent post race quote from Lashinda Demus. Here's an interesting article on athletics popularity in the US. BBC Sport - London 2012: Is track field dying in the US?
From personal experience. My 13 and 14 year old went to some local athletics coaching sessions when they were younger. Unfortunately, only having an outdoor track here and no indoor facilities, just like most of the country - they soon got bored doing what amounted to cross country during the winter months. Our 14 year old now sadly does next to no sport as drama and music now dominate her life. Our 13 yr old plays football and spends all his spare time down the local astro turf with his mates playing football. Our 7 yr old is mad keen on running and at some point I'll be taking her along for some athletics coaching. Conclusion = we need better facilities and more money at grass roots level too to make all kids sports, and I'm not just talking athletics now, free for anyone who wants to take part. Having one of your kids take part in regular organised sport is expensive enough, but for people with several kids and kids who want to play several sports, finances can put some parents off. Currently, without very supportive parents, lots of kids just aren't getting as involved in sport as they could be, and consequently there must be huge pools of talent out there going to waste.
I've been taking my kids to the Diamond League event at Crystal Palace for the past couple of years (we're going again this year) and it's always sold out. Loads of kids there and in the family stands many of our athletes go in amongst the crowd. Mark lewis-Francis is a particular favourite and sits in with the crowd for most of the meeting usually. Linford spent some time in the family stand last year with some of his athletes and he was mobbed where ever he went. TV coverage of the event, and athletics in general, is excellent, and in Michael Johnson, our coverage has THE best pundit in sport in my humble opinion.
My point is, in terms of competing for kids hearts with football, I'd say UK Athletics is doing pretty well on some fronts. It should also be noted that Usain Bolt in particular will be a role model to lots of our kids, regardless of whether he's a UK athlete or not. In fact, I'd probably argue that him being a Jamaican only adds to his 'coolness' and will encourage even more of our kids to take up athletics.
Contrast this to how some US athletes feel about their sport.
"When we get on the track we know we are taking part in a dying sport." That was a recent post race quote from Lashinda Demus. Here's an interesting article on athletics popularity in the US. BBC Sport - London 2012: Is track field dying in the US?
From personal experience. My 13 and 14 year old went to some local athletics coaching sessions when they were younger. Unfortunately, only having an outdoor track here and no indoor facilities, just like most of the country - they soon got bored doing what amounted to cross country during the winter months. Our 14 year old now sadly does next to no sport as drama and music now dominate her life. Our 13 yr old plays football and spends all his spare time down the local astro turf with his mates playing football. Our 7 yr old is mad keen on running and at some point I'll be taking her along for some athletics coaching. Conclusion = we need better facilities and more money at grass roots level too to make all kids sports, and I'm not just talking athletics now, free for anyone who wants to take part. Having one of your kids take part in regular organised sport is expensive enough, but for people with several kids and kids who want to play several sports, finances can put some parents off. Currently, without very supportive parents, lots of kids just aren't getting as involved in sport as they could be, and consequently there must be huge pools of talent out there going to waste.