Carrick

[Marshy]

i dont think any of the goals we conceded were the fault of anything our central midfield pairing were upto

The first was a keeping blunder, the second was johnson getting skinned again, and the third simply not marking form a corner.

 

[Uncle Buck]

i dont think any of the goals we conceded were the fault of anything our central midfield pairing were upto

The first was a keeping blunder, the second was johnson getting skinned again, and the third simply not marking form a corner.

But it is an issue that Lampard and Gerrard are similar players, they both like to get forward. Gerrard is the more talented and so often sits back, as he can at least tackle, but then by doing that you lose an element of his game.

One solution would be to look at a 3 man central pairing with say Butt, Hargreaves or Carrick as the holding player.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

I honestly think one man is the key to England's success at the World Cup.

Step forward:

Ledley King.

as the sitting midfielder.

 

[Marshy]

I wouldnt be against looking at that at all, it would certainly be a Plan B which i dont beleive Sven has as yet...i quite like Carrick as a player in that roll.

 

[Silent Bob]

Why when he have Carrick, Hargreaves, Butt, even Scott Parker, would we play King as a holding midifelder?

 

[Barnet Seagull]

Why when he have Carrick, Hargreaves, Butt, even Scott Parker, would we play King as a holding midifelder?

Because.


King's primary instinct is to defend
He's also a damn sight quicker and more impossing than any of those you've mentioned.

If It were me as England manager I'd definitley give King a go in that position in a friendly, if it doesn't work out, fair enough, but I honestly think it's an option worth trying.

 

[Silent Bob]

But he played that postition for Spurs a season before last and they bought Carrick to play there.

In that position it's not about speed or strength anyway, look at Makelele. He's not big, strong or particularly quick but he's the best in the world there.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

But he played that postition for Spurs a season before last and they bought Carrick to play there.

In that position it's not about speed or strength anyway, look at Makelele. He's not big, strong or particularly quick but he's the best in the world there.

Spurs weren't playing the triangle in midfield at the time, so King was expected to bring the ball forward.

 

[Redhead]

I think Sven's tactics are alrite, the problem seems to me as has been highlighted earlier in the thread neither central midfielder likes to hold because Gerrard and Lampard like to bomb forward and are higfhly effective. While we can get away with it playing rubbish teams we may get found out against better counter attacking nations. 4-4-2 works for England becasue thatis waht the bulk of the players play at club level. But who's to say playing with attitude if you score three we'll score four wont work? I'm still confident of our chances at the World Cup. Also if were talking holding midfielders Phil Neville would do a job.

 

[Saint Lennard]

Mr Carrick....... is typical spurs too lightweight. How he can be compared to Makelele i'll never know.

He was shown up when we played kinky's boys whenpressured he either passed across the pitch (ala butch wilkins) or back to his defence.

He's good holdiing player but that's all not an international.

 

[Rookie]

Robinson (or even Kirkland)

Neville
Ferdinand
Terry
Cole

Carrick (holding)

Beckham
Gerrard
Lampard

Rooney
Owen

Easy really

 

[Uncle Buck]

Mr Carrick....... is typical spurs too lightweight. How he can be compared to Makelele i'll never know.

He was shown up when we played kinky's boys whenpressured he either passed across the pitch (ala butch wilkins) or back to his defence.

He's good holdiing player but that's all not an international.

Bit dangerous to use one game to come to that conclusion.

I thought during the summer tour to the USA he was one of the few positives to come out of the whole thing and maybe if and when we have qualfied, they need to look in the friendlies as to how he is accomodated.

 

[Silent Bob]

Robinson (or even Kirkland)

Neville
Ferdinand
Terry
Cole

Carrick (holding)

Beckham
Gerrard
Lampard

Rooney
Owen

Easy really

No width.

 

[Saint Lennard]

My opinion is not based on one game.

As for the US tour. There was evrything for him to play for. If you have played in friendlies you would understand that it is easy to impress if you want to as everyone else is coasting.


Iwouldn't write him off but do not see him as the midfield genius that some do.

 

[Rookie]

No width.

Ashley cole and Neville i think will do quite a good job and with Carrick in front of the Defence gives added protection for when they slow to get back. And we have no natural width at the moment any how, and neither do Brazil they do quite well

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

My opinion is not based on one game.

As for the US tour. There was evrything for him to play for. If you have played in friendlies you would understand that it is easy to impress if you want to as everyone else is coasting.


Iwouldn't write him off but do not see him as the midfield genius that some do.

What other games are you suggesting?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Ledley King as the holding player is an interesting idea.

I feel that Neville and Ashley Cole would feel a lot more secure about bombing forward if they knew King was there behind them to mop up. This, in turn, is like to lead to more crosses and, hence, more goals.

Also, King provides height at set pieces so, with him and Terry, we'd be a real threat.

I recall that David Pleat was very keen whilst at Spurs to play King in this role.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

But he was half the player he is playing there.

 

[Pavilionaire]

King is a gifted footballer. It's up to the manager to to come up with a system that maximises the talent he has available.

Ask yourself which England players are playing to the best of their ability for England on a consistent basis in the big games?

I don't think we're getting the best out of Ashley Cole going forward, or Gerrard / Lampard because of their defensive duties. I also think Beckham comes inside to cover for those two because he knows they like to go forward, leaving us with no width on the right.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

True - i also think Terry is not good enough for england - he makes mistakes (euro 2004 postiga) and is to rough and tumble for international soccer