Car tax discs scrapped after 93 years.

[drew]

Its the exceptions I'm concerned about

Those exceptions are people who buy through a broker who doesn't use the database. A very small amount apparently. If you can renew you VED online then you use an insurance company / broker who uses the database.

What!!! It is the insurance companies that upload the info onto the database whether a policy is sold through a broker or not.

So, has the VED been scrapped or just the disc? and if just the disc, it'll be a lot easier to get away without paying?

I suspect there are very few ANPR cameras in deepest darkest Borneo!!!!!

Fleet policies? I've had a policy stating "insured on all vehicles owned or leased by X" before, I doubt its that uncommon?

Northern Ireland will likely look to retain tax discs if they can as they've also got MOT discs (http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/your-mot-certificate) and want to bring in insurance discs, all to increase speed at checkpoints.

Even on a fleet policy, you need to advise insurers what vehicles you are using or have used during a period. If you have a large number of changes during the year then likely that your policy will be on a quarterly declaration. If not many changes then you have to advise them as and when the changes are made. You can't take out a fleet policy for 100 vehicles and then, during the year lease an additional 100 but return them before the end of the policy year and never declare them to your insurers. At best that is neglect at worst, fraud and in either case your drivers are driving without insurance.

There are certain car parks where disabled badge holders have to pay, unless their Road Tax disc has disabled on it. How are they going to implement this now.
Maybe all traffic wardens will patrol with I-Pads so they can check the DVLA computer.
That wont cost much!

Simple, you just change the blue badge to show whether they are entitled to free parking.

 

[Garage_Doors]

What exactly is the proposal to replace the tax disc, how / what will we pay as a replacement and when?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What!!! It is the insurance companies that upload the info onto the database whether a policy is sold through a broker or not.

Yes, I get that BUT it is the small independent brokers who tend to use specialised insurance companies and it is they that don't use the database. Report was on Watchdog last year ( can't find a YouTube video of it though ).

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Simple, you just change the blue badge to show whether they are entitled to free parking.

I'd have multi-quoted if I'd spotted this first go. Blue Badges are not valid on private land - they have no meaning ( despite what some landowners might try and suggest to you ). Yet, private car parks such as supermarket car parks have to provide parking for disabled people - as per the Equality Act. While not a condition, the display of a zero rated tax disc based on disability allows the owners of the car park to determine disability allowance.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Care to back that statement up with evidence ?

£60bn is raised with VED each year and £912,500,000 litres a year of fuel sold. That would add about 2.5p a litre.

So thats a fuel price increase of 2.5p a litre which certainly wouldnt drop in price. Id rather pay the tax thanks.

No evidence needed, its obvious that if you reduce a tax which all car owners (well, the non-criminal ones anyway) have - then you are going to have a shortfall of money - simple as that. The £60 Billion you said seems about right, but its still a fairly big gap.

Also, if you decide to have a big polluting Chelsea Tractor - why should you be classed as the same as a small economical Citroen ? May as well just have a "Pollution tax" instead.

 

[beorhthelm]

Care to back that statement up with evidence ?

£60bn is raised with VED each year and £912,500,000 litres a year of fuel sold. That would add about 2.5p a litre.

i believe thats £6bn, not £60bn. dont know what that means to the point being made.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So thats a fuel price increase of 2.5p a litre which certainly wouldnt drop in price. Id rather pay the tax thanks.

No evidence needed, its obvious that if you reduce a tax which all car owners (well, the non-criminal ones anyway) have - then you are going to have a shortfall of money - simple as that. The £60 Billion you said seems about right, but its still a fairly big gap.

Also, if you decide to have a big polluting Chelsea Tractor - why should you be classed as the same as a small economical Citroen ? May as well just have a "Pollution tax" instead.

How would there be a gap ??

As for the big polluting Chelsea Tractor - they use more fuel so would end up paying more than an economical Citroen so would pay more in tax.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

i believe thats £6bn, not £60bn. dont know what that means to the point being made.

Agreed - I got it wrong. That means less than a penny rise on the cost of fuel would cover it.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

How would there be a gap ??

As for the big polluting Chelsea Tractor - they use more fuel so would end up paying more than an economical Citroen so would pay more in tax.

Use more fuel = pollute the atmosphere more, why they pay more tax - simple.

If you cant work out why the government would have a gap in money coming in if they stop collecting VED - Billions each year basically - then im amazed. If your advocating the scrapping of VED just to replace it with a fuel cost rise - then what exactly is the point ? You may as well keep collecting VED to save the hassle, though switching to a DD system would make it easier as refunds wouldnt be needed.

Yes, I get that BUT it is the small independent brokers who tend to use specialised insurance companies and it is they that don't use the database. Report was on Watchdog last year ( can't find a YouTube video of it though ).

Well seeing as the Police National computer lists details of every single car on the road, including tax (why discs are redundant), insurance and MOT - I would have thought it would have a record that the car was insured - even through a small broker. Would have thought it would go through the DVLA though, its complicated and rare anyway.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If you cant work out why the government would have a gap in money coming in if they stop collecting VED - Billions each year basically - then im amazed. If your advocating the scrapping of VED just to replace it with a fuel cost rise - then what exactly is the point ? You may as well keep collecting VED to save the hassle, though switching to a DD system would make it easier as refunds wouldnt be needed.

Doh - that's exactly what I'm suggesting !!!!!!!!!! That way there would be no gap. The more you drive ( and pollute at the same time ) the more you would pay. Very simple.

Well seeing as the Police National computer lists details of every single car on the road, including tax (why discs are redundant), insurance and MOT - I would have thought it would have a record that the car was insured - even through a small broker. Would have thought it would go through the DVLA though, its complicated and rare anyway.

Actually the PNC doesn't hold this detail but carry on.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The government does have a system of subsidising bus services by reducing the fuel costs that the services would otherwise incur. Currently there is a basic rebate of 34.57 pence per litre paid to the operators of qualifying local bus services. The system of making these rebates will, however, change next year.

In England alone, they paid out £413,116,554.13 in rebates in 2012/13. Brighton & Hove Bus & Coach Company received £2,078,870.46

 

[Garage_Doors]

Actually the PNC doesn't hold this detail but carry on.

Care to back that up?

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Actually the PNC doesn't hold this detail but carry on.

Care to explain why when I was pulled over the other night (nothing serious), they checked all of what i mentioned on their computer ?

That said, it was a traffic car which stopped me (one of those BMWs with the cameras on).

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Care to explain why when I was pulled over the other night (nothing serious), they checked all of what i mentioned on their computer ?

That said, it was a traffic car which stopped me (one of those BMWs with the cameras on).

They checked with DVLA - not the PNC.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

They checked with DVLA - not the PNC.

Well it was all on their in car computer !!

Only traffic officers get it though, otherwise its a call to the DVLA admittedly.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Everyone uses the roads. Even pedestrians.

And we all pay for the roads - out of general taxation. Quite right, too.

Ah, but what about all those petrol lawnmowers? They don't use the roads but if duty were added to fuel cost, they would effectively be indirectly contributing to road maintenance.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

They checked with DVLA - not the PNC.

Don't think DVLA maintain computers with VOSA data [MOT] or insurance info.
What I suspect happens is that the PNC has links to these different organisations all linked together by the car's index number [reg] so they can pull together a full picture [I've worked on multi-source IT systems like this in the public sector in my professional capacity]

Well it was all on their in car computer !!
Only traffic officers get it though, otherwise its a call to the DVLA admittedly.

It won't have been stored locally in the police car. They have kit that uses the equivalent of mobile broadband [via the mobile phone network] which can access a central computer via secure internet ie [https:\\

 

[Superphil]

1. In general farmers get red diesel delivered as could haulage companies if they were allowed to use it.
2. Local government already does to the tune of millions.
3. I know plenty of people that have cut back on fuel and drive their cars to the optimum to get the best consumption.

All these things.
1. The petrol station at Bolney sells red diesel from a regular pump on the forecourt (to farmers of course).
2. Many, many Millions
3. Me too, I have also changed car this year specifically to get one that gives me as good as 50mpg as the mileage allowance I get from my company is quite low, anything below 40mpg and I'd be paying them to go to work.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Don't think DVLA maintain computers with VOSA data [MOT] or insurance info.
What I suspect happens is that the PNC has links to these different organisations all linked together by the car's index number [reg] so they can pull together a full picture [I've worked on multi-source IT systems like this in the public sector in my professional capacity]

Agreed - it is a multi-agency system maintained by Capita. Each links to each other. Equally, the PNC does not hold MOT or insurance data. It's just the police can access the required systems.

 

[drew]

Yes, I get that BUT it is the small independent brokers who tend to use specialised insurance companies and it is they that don't use the database. Report was on Watchdog last year ( can't find a YouTube video of it though ).

Think you will find that no matter how small, they are legally required to keep the database updated. That doesn't mean that there have been lapses whereby smaller brokers might not have an automated procedure to update the database but they are still legally required to do so.

Found this so the report might actually have been 5 years ago!!!

http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1761232

Agreed - it is a multi-agency system maintained by Capita. Each links to each other. Equally, the PNC does not hold MOT or insurance data. It's just the police can access the required systems.

Agree. However, the point is that the Police have access to the information irrespective upon which services that info is held.