Cameron comes of age

[Lord Bracknell]

A small bet for Uncle Spielberg ...

Within a year, there will be a significant anti-Cameron faction within the Tory Party, demanding his sacking as Leader.

 

[simonsimon]

Another pathological Irish Bigand Party hater here, and proud of it.



changed smilie as it annoys some idiot so much.

 

[Buzzer]

Another pathological Irish Bigand Party hater here, and proud of it.



changed smilie as it annoys some idiot so much.

Apparently I'm an idiot yet you're the twat that seems to think it clever to refer to the Tories as it's original 16-17th century definition. Oh how hil-ari-ous. You really are quite the card aren't you?

Oh, and apparently proud of being a bigot. Bet you can hardly contain yourself at times with how clever you are.

A small bet for Uncle Spielberg ...

Within a year, there will be a significant anti-Cameron faction within the Tory Party, demanding his sacking as Leader.

- same is true in any party isn't it? Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, UKIP, GOP, Hamas, whatever.

 

[NMH]

The tories really don't know their arses from their elbows.
The other day one David Davis was ranting about Brown going to Iraq, criticising him for doing it, and saying he should have ANNOUNCED it in the house!!

So the Iraqi malcontents could throw the kitchen sink at Britain's strongholds there, to try killing or disrupting his visit, at cost of loads of our lads' lives.

He then said Brown would likely be announcing an election as soon as he returned, as THAT would be SUCH a cheap, underhand trick.

Cameron responded by "challenging" Brown to announce an immediate election, suggesting he would be a pussy if he didn't rise to this.


He has already made a 'special offer' to match the budget of the Labour govt., for their first 4 years, if they got in.

What sort of cheap gimmickry is that, and how does a party promise to match budget of the incumbent party - not knowing what constraints and changes might come about to require otherwise? "Stop me and buy one get one free offer expires November 1st"??

Honestly. I even heard that the tories are now neck and neck with labour - a spin that is so totally and completely whacked that you wonder what disneyland they were created in.
The tories are hopeless, hapless, and don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting in. Plus they are obviously lying through their teeth!

Clowns.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

A small bet for Uncle Spielberg ...

Within a year, there will be a significant anti-Cameron faction within the Tory Party, demanding his sacking as Leader.

Why

 

[Lady Bracknell]

Because the man is a buffooon! A polished buffoon who is jolly good with knives and forks and never says "serviette" but a buffoon, none the less. Even the Tories will eventually come to recognise this simple fact and, having chosen their cutlery with due care, noting that fish knives are infra-dig nowadays, will stab him in the back.

 

[DJ Leon]

I'm saying exactly what I said, no more.

The tories are not the demons people would portray of them and Labour was not and is not a trailblazer for equality.

You seem to struggle with this as it's the second time you've asked what my point is. Do you understand yet?

I don't struggle with the above one iota. The bit where you actually seemed to suggetst that the Conservative Party had been great for women was the bit I had trouble with. That's just plain ridicolous. *retaliatory patronsiing sign-off* Do you see?

 

[DJ Leon]

I see Brown has royally bottled it after Cameron's superlative speech, Brown hugely underestimated Cameron and Brown has been made to look rather silly and cowardly now, ha ha ha, Cmaeron can wait and Brown will lose whenever he decides to have the bottle to face the public.

I can't believe anybody actually believed he was going to call it. Ignore the posturing of both sides, Brown is too concerned (as are most politicians) of his 'place in history'. He was never going to risk his premiership early unless he had an overwhelming majority given in writing by the electorate.

I sense Cameron knew this and exploited it. Brown didn't bottle it, I doubt he ever entertained it. The events of the last few days have subsequently had no effect on the 'decision' whatsoever, but Cameron's the one that's come out on top here.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Why

Well, for a start ... because he staked his reputation on being able to force Brown into an early election (which he has patently failed to achieve). And for seconds, because he has committed the Tories publicly to policies that Brown now has two years to steal, wrap up as a New-Labour original idea, and win popularity by implementing, when all Cameron could do was promise.

Cameron's fox has been shot.

 

[Beach Hut]

Well, for a start ... because he staked his reputation on being able to force Brown into an early election (which he has patently failed to achieve). And for seconds, because he has committed the Tories publicly to policies that Brown now has two years to steal, wrap up as a New-Labour original idea, and win popularity by implementing, when all Cameron could do was promise.

Cameron's fox has been shot.

Fox hunting was banned by Labour, keep flying the red flag LB - very limply as the tories are coming home

 

[Lady Bracknell]

It well recalls the triumphs past;
It gives the hope of peace at last:
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.

It suits today the meek and base,
Whose minds are fixed on self and place,
To cringe before the rich man's frown
And haul the sacred emblem down.

Then raise the scarlet standard high,
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa,
Bandiera rossa, bandiera rossa
Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa,
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Evviva il comunismo e la libertà!

Degli sfruttati l'immensa schiera
La pura innalzi, rossa bandiera,
O proletari, alla riscossa
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Il frutto del lavoro a chi lavora andrà.

Dai campi al mare, alla miniera,
All'officina, chi soffre e spera,
Sia pronto, è l'ora della riscossa.
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Soltanto il comunismo è vera libertà.

Non più nemici, non più frontiere,
Sono i confini rosse bandiere.
O comunisti, alla riscossa,
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Evviva il comunismo e la libertà!

 

[Buzzer]

I don't struggle with the above one iota. The bit where you actually seemed to suggetst that the Conservative Party had been great for women was the bit I had trouble with. That's just plain ridicolous. *retaliatory patronsiing sign-off* Do you see?

So the answer is no, you still don't get it.

I made 2 points:

1. The tories are not demons
2. Labour were not trailblazers for equality

I've made it quite explicit that I mean exactly those 2 points AND NO MORE. I don't know how many more ways I can explain this.

 

[DJ Leon]

whereas the Tories did f*** all. Sigh...... you really are blinkered aren't you. Can't accept that the party you hate would give opportunities to women before the Labour Party.

So the answer is no, you still don't get it.

I made 2 points:

1. The tories are not demons
2. Labour were not trailblazers for equality

I've made it quite explicit that I mean exactly those 2 points AND NO MORE. I don't know how many more ways I can explain this.

Sorry. Mistook the above for an assertion that the Tories gave opportunities to women before Labour. Easy mistake to make I guess.

 

[Buzzer]

The second statement clarifies the 1st. It's you that's making wild extrapolations.

*sigh* I'm bored with this now. I don't think we're going to find a consenus here.

 

[NMH]

I can't believe anybody actually believed he was going to call it. Ignore the posturing of both sides, Brown is too concerned (as are most politicians) of his 'place in history'. He was never going to risk his premiership early unless he had an overwhelming majority given in writing by the electorate.

I sense Cameron knew this and exploited it. Brown didn't bottle it, I doubt he ever entertained it. The events of the last few days have subsequently had no effect on the 'decision' whatsoever, but Cameron's the one that's come out on top here.

Wait - so you are saying that people should "ignore the posturing", yet somehow by doing nothing more than a gimmick 'challenge', Cameron has "come out on top here"??


Well I never, that means the people who would fall for that sort of crap would vote Tory then!

 

[NMH]

I see Brown has royally bottled it after Cameron's superlative speech, Brown hugely underestimated Cameron and Brown has been made to look rather silly and cowardly now, ha ha ha, Cmaeron can wait and Brown will lose whenever he decides to have the bottle to face the public.

There's one!

 

[NMH]

A small bet for Uncle Spielberg ...

Within a year, there will be a significant anti-Cameron faction within the Tory Party, demanding his sacking as Leader.

I think he'll step down as soon as the election is over.
This is his last hurrah, so he's actually playing his best cards right now (which is a sad indictment of its' own!)

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

The second statement clarifies the 1st. It's you that's making wild extrapolations.

*sigh* I'm bored with this now. I don't think we're going to find a consenus here.

Buzzer you and Leon do not need to find a consensus, just look at my post a few pages back and you will see under which governments that the law was passed that gave women the right to vote. One was a Liberal coalition under David Lloyd George in 1918, the other was Conservative under Stanley Baldwin in 1928.
They are facts which cannot be disputed and I have printed them being a Labour supporter all my life.

You didn't answer this question of mine in earlier post:

You said parties and people change unlike me. We can take it as given that the Labour party has changed and that David Cameron is trying to change the Tory party, but are you saying that it is bad if someone like me does not wish to change their political allegiance ever in their lifetime?
Have you changed the party you vote for in your lifetime?

 

[Hunting 784561]

........which specialised in hedonistic drunken parties at high class restaurants, and then proceeded to vandalise these venues. The damage being paid for out of their trust funds.

Should the Tory Party be elected, then this scenario would be applied to the whole of society.

- I am looking forward to this particular policy with great excitement.

The Badgers Watch or indeed The Plough will never be the same again.

what ho, pip pip