[Football] Burnley down, Luton up

[BN41Albion]

I was comparing towns, Burnley is as I presented it, a rather depressing drive into the town centre and a rather unwelcoming city centre. As a Socialist I understand how these areas were destroyed by reagon-omics and thatcherism, I can also understand ( but reject ) the reasons nazi recruitment tactics worked there, Luton with the decline of the motor industry similarly affected with the rise of the right wing and the EDL . In the day the ANL were effective in stopping the right in Brighton despite the beast of Westbourne Gardens or Ted Budden being in our midst.

But Burnley is a dump and Luton is Luton

So you call yourself a socialist but then in the next breath call entire towns dumps and start threads comparing two towns by slating them, etc. How do you not understand why folk are getting on your back? Not very socialist eh. Or are you a champagne socialist by any chance?

 

[Lenny Rider]

Both classic football towns, great days out over the years and far more appealing than the Gunners ‘Library’ or the plastic Old Trafford.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Burnley's prosperity was built on cotton mills and coal mines, both of which were long gone before Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan.

Good luck in these last few games. Hopefully we will send the Champions of Europe down tomorrow instead.

 

[Superphil]

Does that include Taunton?

Very possibly. 3pm Saturdays are what I’m talking about. If Worthing are at Taunton on a Saturday when the Albion’s game has been moved for TV, or to accommodate a tired team who have to play in European matches, then that’s what we’ll do.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

I was comparing towns, Burnley is as I presented it, a rather depressing drive into the town centre and a rather unwelcoming city centre. As a Socialist I understand how these areas were destroyed by reagon-omics and thatcherism, I can also understand ( but reject ) the reasons nazi recruitment tactics worked there, Luton with the decline of the motor industry similarly affected with the rise of the right wing and the EDL . In the day the ANL were effective in stopping the right in Brighton despite the beast of Westbourne Gardens or Ted Budden being in our midst.

But Burnley is a dump and Luton is Luton

How did Thatcher destroy Burnley?

 

[Codner's Wallop]

Would it possible that we redirect all of our energy from this thread into a spiritual force that sends Leeds down?

 

[Lenny Rider]

How did Thatcher destroy Burnley?

Thatcher didn’t destroy Burnley the Unions and unfortunately the working man pressed the self destruct button.

Case in point, Bob Booker at 18 was working in a furniture factory in 1978 earning an average of £320 a week, he was offered a professional contract at Brentford for £60 a week, that tells you everything you need to know about the state of the UK manufacturing industry under the Labour government in the 1970s.

Funnily enough the factory closed down in the early 1980s.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Thatcher didn’t destroy Burnley the Unions and unfortunately the working man pressed the self destruct button.

Case in point, Bob Booker at 18 was working in a furniture factory in 1978 earning an average of £320 a week, he was offered a professional contract at Brentford for £60 a week, that tells you everything you need to know about the state of the UK manufacturing industry under the Labour government in the 1970s.

Funnily enough the factory closed down in the early 1980s.

Apart from the fact it was £200 and piecework.

https://beesotted.com/ooh-aah-the-bob-booker-story/

Oh - and he wasn't just "working in a furniture factory". He had just finished a 4 year apprenticeship as an upholsterer.

https://www.wsc.co.uk/reviews/64-Players/14013-ooh-aah-the-bob-booker-story-by-greville-waterman

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Thatcher didn’t destroy Burnley the Unions and unfortunately the working man pressed the self destruct button.

Case in point, Bob Booker at 18 was working in a furniture factory in 1978 earning an average of £320 a week, he was offered a professional contract at Brentford for £60 a week, that tells you everything you need to know about the state of the UK manufacturing industry under the Labour government in the 1970s.

Funnily enough the factory closed down in the early 1980s.

Speaks a man who hasn’t a clue when it comes to UK manufacturing.


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[Dick Swiveller]

Speaks a man who hasn’t a clue when it comes to UK manufacturing.


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The irony of a Tory complaining that a youngster, who completed a 4 year apprenticeship to become a skilled craftsman and gets well paid when doing so, is a bad thing and Labour's fault is just too delicious. I thought pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and getting a good job was the Tory ideal?

 

[Lenny Rider]

Apart from the fact it was £200 and piecework.

https://beesotted.com/ooh-aah-the-bob-booker-story/

Oh - and he wasn't just "working in a furniture factory". He had just finished a 4 year apprenticeship as an upholsterer.

https://www.wsc.co.uk/reviews/64-Players/14013-ooh-aah-the-bob-booker-story-by-greville-waterman

Dick old love he stated £320 when I interviewed him on You Tube.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Speaks a man who hasn’t a clue when it comes to UK manufacturing.


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In your opinion.

In August 2009 the last factory which made TVs in the UK closed in Swansea.

So to have a product that every household has at least one of, that we don’t make in the UK tells you everything you need to know.

 

[wuntbedruv]

Thatcher didn’t destroy Burnley the Unions and unfortunately the working man pressed the self destruct button.

Case in point, Bob Booker at 18 was working in a furniture factory in 1978 earning an average of £320 a week, he was offered a professional contract at Brentford for £60 a week, that tells you everything you need to know about the state of the UK manufacturing industry under the Labour government in the 1970s.

Funnily enough the factory closed down in the early 1980s.

So absolute bollox then, in the 70's due to the fact that the tory Party is the party of inflation and tax rises, for ordinary people, my wages went up faster under Ted heath with his 20p an hour more everytime inflation rose half a percent. thatcher destroyed the country with her don't bother making it when we can import it and still make a profit philosophy ( or dig it out of the ground when we can import it from Poland) she also,through privatisation sold the whole country down the river to pay benefits to those she threw on the dole.So great the bill that it also sucked up every penny from North Sea oil and gas.

But the most telling thing she did was delude and destroy her natural powerbase, the traditional middle classes, people who has ambition to better themselves denied by the rocketing pay differentials between themselves and the upper classes they aspired to join.

Hence bitter traditional " Middle class " people whining on about disgusting pay rates for Plumbers Builders and Train Drivers.

thatcher set the seeds for every national asset being in foreign ownership and undifying squabbles between The Canadian Teachers Pension Fund and some Czech billionaire over who gets to run " The National lottery "

she was a traitor to our country AND her class.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Dick old love he stated £320 when I interviewed him on You Tube.

That's nice. Not what he put in his book though.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Dick old love he stated £320 when I interviewed him on You Tube.

BTW - he said £300.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O60SYoYSN4M

 

[wuntbedruv]

In your opinion.

In August 2009 the last factory which made TVs in the UK closed in Swansea.

So to have a product that every household has at least one of, that we don’t make in the UK tells you everything you need to know.

Those that work in British Engineering know exactly what we can produce, we also see traitors like Bamford and Dyson selling our manufacturing expertise, expertise honed and developed on British shop floors down the river to maximise profits and accumulate obscene levels of personal wealth. Work taken out of this country because of the greed of the bosses who pay themselves millions and it still isn't enough not skilled shop floor people on 30k a year.

Some bloke who imports crap to burn in creamotoriums is hardly qualified to comment.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

In your opinion.

In August 2009 the last factory which made TVs in the UK closed in Swansea.

So to have a product that every household has at least one of, that we don’t make in the UK tells you everything you need to know.

No it doesn’t.

The manufacturing industry does not just revolve around white goods or cars. We specialise in low volume high complexity manufacturing and we are very good at it. I speak with confidence as I have spent the last 30 odd years in this industry.


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[wuntbedruv]

No it doesn’t.

The manufacturing industry does not just revolve around white goods or cars. We specialise in low volume high complexity manufacturing and we are very good at it. I speak with confidence as I have spent the last 30 odd years in this industry.


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He would also do well to look at the recently privatised In flight refulling company sold to the yanks for £1BILLION underpriced or the Harrier fleet sold to the US navy for SCRAP value, including uncrated brand new engines, scrap the the US navy will fly until 2028 at least so we could buy an American pile of crap that still doesn't work properly.

One the they discovered would burn holes in the carrier composite decks adding further delay and millions in cost to our new carriers.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

FWIW, my masters dissertation, all 28,000 words, was based upon car manufacturing and why the Japanese were so good at it and the west weren’t.

It wasn’t because we didn’t have the skill, it was in the main because of biblically stupid management, who hadn’t a clue in what they were doing, aided and abetted by an indifferent government. TBF, the UK weren’t the only culprits.

Cultural issues also played a large part along with a distrusting workforce who, quite rightly, didn’t trust the management.

Incompetence of the highest order … it still makes me angry and we are now paying the price.


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[Hugo Rune]

FWIW, my masters dissertation, all 28,000 words, was based upon car manufacturing and why the Japanese were so good at it and the west weren’t.

It wasn’t because we didn’t have the skill, it was in the main because of biblically stupid management, who hadn’t a clue in what they were doing, aided and abetted by an indifferent government. TBF, the UK weren’t the only culprits.

Cultural issues also played a large part along with a distrusting workforce who, quite rightly, didn’t trust the management.

Incompetence of the highest order … it still makes me angry and we are now paying the price.

There was a fantastic documentary on the BBC about the rise of German car manufacturing and the fall of UK manufacturing last century.

As you say, the management at these car companies was horrific. Recruitment to the top posts was done by nepotism meaning that most of our famous UK car brands were run by entitled c***s like Johnson, totally lazy and talentless and totally entitled. Sadly, whilst the brainless Unions made sure the UK brands died their death, in Germany, Unions were replaced by directors on the boards voted in by the workers to represent their interests.

The rest they say, is History. From the mini to the Jag, all German now.