burgess hill lad deported

[Trigger]

Billy's a good lad, only he knows what he did and didn't do out there so NO ONE on here can comment on that. But those that know the lad can tell you that he's a good kid and certainly not worthy of half the shit he's getting off here from supposed fellow fans.

Agree with that totally, he's a decent lad but oh my has he grown his hair just a touch since i last saw him!

 

[Albion Rob]

Arthur,

Agreed the penalty didnt appear to fit the crime, in relation to other much more serious (not wishing to triviualise his apparent convicyed one) but things need to be in perspective also totally agreed how cowardly of the paper to publish personal details, he must have a very good case for libel etc and compensation against the press i wouldve thought if he suffers knock on effects ie loss of earnings

FG

For what it's worth I'll repeat what I said earlier, the lad is a CONVICTED CRIMINAL in the eyes of both Portuguese and English law and therefore part of the judicial process is to allow the press to report anything said in open court which is not struck from the records by a judge or restricted due to an order.

His name, age, address etc will have come out in court and therefore it is safe to publish them.

As I have stated earlier, I don't havee a clue what he did and only know what has been suggested both on here and elsewhere. Only him and people who saw him know the truth, it could either b a case of getting what he deserved or being very unlucky. I doubt anyone on here will every truly know.

 

[Arthur]

Arthur,

Agreed the penalty didnt appear to fit the crime, in relation to other much more serious (not wishing to triviualise his apparent convicyed one) but things need to be in perspective also totally agreed how cowardly of the paper to publish personal details, he must have a very good case for libel etc and compensation against the press i wouldve thought if he suffers knock on effects ie loss of earnings

FG

At the end of the day, as someone else has pointed out the Argus (or any other publication) can pretty much print what ever they want if they feel it'll sex up the story. They ahve at the end of the day only printed facts.... He lives at so and so, he works for so and so etc etc.

Quite why they needed to print half of it is what I was most annoyed about. But then looking at it in the cold light of day the argus want to sell papers and couldn't give a f*** about some lad life.

 

[METALMICKY]

And you are qualified to make sweeping statements like that because............

FFS Obviuously i need to spell this out to you. Whenever someone gets involved in any trouble (whether they caused it or not) invariably apologists appear with tales of how they are a "quiet lad", help grannies across the road ,go to needle work classes and drink shandy

If this is truly your personality you will hardly be inclined to travel to England away games because of the inherent danger of trouble. If you watch England away you will be street wise and know how to not get involved in trouble whether it be caused by a few other moronic fans or over zealous policing. Rarely does trouble come looking for you, and if it does its usually easy to walk away.

I'm not condemning this bloke without knowing the facts but i'm simply not buying the "he's an angel" shite.

 

[Uncle Buck]

If this is truly your personality you will hardly be inclined to travel to England away games because of the inherent danger of trouble. If you watch England away you will be street wise and know how to not get involved in trouble whether it be caused by a few other moronic fans or over zealous policing. Rarely does trouble come looking for you, and if it does its usually easy to walk away.

So you are saying that everyone that follows England is rowdy as quiet types that enjoy football and a bit of travel would obviously not travel as it is far too dangerous.

A suggestion, go and expirence England abroad, before you set yourself up as some oracle of knowledge on the matter, you never know, you might like it....

 

[Bozza]

FFS Obviuously i need to spell this out to you. Whenever someone gets involved in any trouble (whether they caused it or not) invariably apologists appear with tales of how they are a "quiet lad", help grannies across the road ,go to needle work classes and drink shandy

If this is truly your personality you will hardly be inclined to travel to England away games because of the inherent danger of trouble. If you watch England away you will be street wise and know how to not get involved in trouble whether it be caused by a few other moronic fans or over zealous policing. Rarely does trouble come looking for you, and if it does its usually easy to walk away.

I'm not condemning this bloke without knowing the facts but i'm simply not buying the "he's an angel" shite.

Have you ever watched England away?

 

[Man of Harveys]

Tsk, Metal Micky, surely you must realise by now: every single time that an English person is accused of misbehaving rowdyness abroad, the fault - very clearly, I would have thought? - lies with both

A) Corrupt/incompetent/heavy-handed foreign policing
B) The lying "media", for reporting it

However, you must have realised that the fault NEVER lies with violent, vegetative English pond-life throwing chairs and pepper spraying people for being having the misfortune of being foreign.

These wrongly-accused fellow countrymen of yours and mine are actually disgracefully misunderstood every single time they are accused of misbehaving. They were - of course! - just trying to "have a laugh". (Btw, it goes without saying that dimwitted Johnny Foreigner generally fails to share this British sense of humour, the fools).

I do hope I've cleared that up for you. It took me ages to realise this but after reading NSC for years every time a bunch of thugs go on the rampage, I've finally seen the light.

 

[Arthur]

FFS Obviuously i need to spell this out to you.

Yes, you do pal because you appear not to know your mouth from you arsehole.

If this is truly your personality you will hardly be inclined to travel to England away games because of the inherent danger of trouble. If you watch England away you will be street wise and know how to not get involved in trouble whether it be caused by a few other moronic fans or over zealous policing. Rarely does trouble come looking for you, and if it does its usually easy to walk away.

What a load of shit! Step back from that argument and pretend you are not a football fan at all. I bet their are people in who think that about club football, is that the case following the Albion?

I'm not condemning this bloke without knowing the facts but i'm simply not buying the "he's an angel" shite.

Who has called him an angel?

All I've done is pointed out that you shouldn't have the lad hung drawn and quatered based on a media report

 

[Uncle Buck]

Tsk, Metal Micky, surely you must realise by now: every single time that an English person is accused of misbehaving rowdyness abroad, the fault - very clearly, I would have thought? - lies with both

A) Corrupt/incompetent/heavy-handed foreign policing
B) The lying "media", for reporting it

However, you must have realised that the fault NEVER lies with violent, vegetative English pond-life throwing chairs and pepper spraying people for being having the misfortune of being foreign.

These wrongly-accused fellow countrymen of yours and mine are actually disgracefully misunderstood every single time they are accused of misbehaving. They were - of course! - just trying to "have a laugh". (Btw, it goes without saying that dimwitted Johnny Foreigner generally fails to share this British sense of humour, the fools).

I do hope I've cleared that up for you. It took me ages to realise this but after reading NSC for years every time a bunch of thugs go on the rampage, I've finally seen the light.

Whatever.

There are those that cause trouble, however especially in Belgium the OB just grabbed however they could and deported them. Also what about the incident in 1990, when Moyanham (sp), provided the Italians with a 200+ seater aircraft and oh the OB rounded up exactly the same number of people as their were seats in Rimini and deported them.

I am sorry but things are not as black and white as you are saying.

 

[Arthur]

I am sorry but things are not as black and white as you are saying.

Careful, the PC brigade will be calling you racist if you carry on with comments like that!

 

[Hannibal smith]

If this is truly your personality you will hardly be inclined to travel to England away games because of the inherent danger of trouble

A sweeping generalisation if ever there was one.

I would suggest that any Englishman absolutely intent on avoiding trouble would not be near Albufiera. Its a Brits abroad place at the best of times let alone when the Burberry boys visit there for the Euro championships. Personally I cant understand why anyone would want to go there but that's just personal choice.

Where you are completely wrong is tarring all England fans with the same brush. My friends have stayed in and around Porto and have described the atmosphere as like a carnival and believe it or not making friends with people from other countries and having a good time, without resorting to fighting, signing about the War or the like. I am likewise going next week where we are staying in a Villa in the middle of nowhere. There is no need to keep my head down, I will quite happily mingle with the Dutch, Italians etc and do my bit for reclaiming the flag. Bet you don't read about that in the papers though.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Whatever.

There are those that cause trouble, however especially in Belgium the OB just grabbed however they could and deported them. Also what about the incident in 1990, when Moyanham (sp), provided the Italians with a 200+ seater aircraft and oh the OB rounded up exactly the same number of people as their were seats in Rimini and deported them.

I am sorry but things are not as black and white as you are saying.

That's just what I said - it is of course much more relevant to condemn police and media than the thugs. It's clearly all the police and media's fault.

 

[METALMICKY]

Yes, you do pal because you appear not to know your mouth from you arsehole.

Instead of reasoned debate you now resort to insults. Hey perhaps you are wasted here and should be out there utilising all that aggression

 

[Uncle Buck]

That's just what I said - it is of course much more relevant to condemn police and media than the thugs. It's clearly all the police and media's fault.

You seen to be as quick to blame the fans as others do to blame the police and media. All 3 are often to blame in different ways. There are those out there that are playing up, but there are also those out there that are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and so getting tugged. The police in Lisbon took a very soft approach and on Sunday the results were there to see, no trouble. However where there has been trouble, the resort are using the Military Police, whose style seems more confrontational, now do not get me wrong, when people are throwing furniture the OB have every right to wade in. The media are often unhelpful when it comes to England fans, they want their scope and they want us to play up. In past tournaments there have been instances of some gutter hack paying some lads a few quid to chuck a brick or whatever through a window so there is trouble. In Euro 2000 they were happy to report about the trouble in Brussels, but seemed intent to forget that the local Turks were out to play and it was not just the English on the rampage, or that the police force seemed intent to get some payback for Heysel or that the Mayor of Brussels had instructed the OB to take a heavy hand with the English.

But you are right, so end of.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Instead of reasoned debate you now resort to insults. Hey perhaps you are wasted here and should be out there utilising all that aggression

Perhaps you should not be commenting on something that you know nothing about.

Hardly fair to tare all England Supporters with the same brush is it.

 

[Arthur]

Instead of reasoned debate you now resort to insults. Hey perhaps you are wasted here and should be out there utilising all that aggression

Reasoned debate went out the window a long time ago when you started with the sweeping generalisations.

Wasted on here? Just slightly if the likes of you are the typical poster!!

 

[METALMICKY]

Hardly fair to tare all England Supporters with the same brush is it.

Excuse me but please precisely point out where i have done that! At which point have i said that anyone who follows England away is a trouble maker?

There are undoubtedly a hoard of English fans out there still having a beer but knowing how to behave and contribute to the carnival atmosphere. Just as undoubtedly there will be local cops looking to crack innocent heads and hungry tabloid press looking to stir it up to fill their papers with sensation.

 

[Man of Harveys]

To be honest, if he's being sent to Burgess Hill, part of me thinks it's actually quite a harsh sentence. It's like Papillon.

 

[Arthur]

Excuse me but please precisely point out where i have done that! At which point have i said that anyone who follows England away is a trouble maker?

"If you watch England away you will be street wise and know how to not get involved in trouble whether it be caused by a few other moronic fans or over zealous policing."

I've taken my sister to England away and she isn't capable of hurting a fly. So basically what you are saying is bollocks!

 

[Uncle Buck]

"If you watch England away you will be street wise and know how to not get involved in trouble whether it be caused by a few other moronic fans or over zealous policing."

I've taken my sister to England away and she isn't capable of hurting a fly. So basically what you are saying is bollocks!

Beat me to it.

Fact not everyone that follows England is a hoolie and please get some first hand expirence of it, before you comment with such conviction.