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[Politics] British IS Girl wanting to return to the UK



Baldseagull

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Jan 26, 2012
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Teenagers left home and worked making decisions albeit with parental consent. 15 year olds are now being treated as though they are children. I have seen the word child quite a few times in debates. They are youths, not children.

Clearly Children do not become adults overnight, but legally, in the UK, a 15 year old is a Child.
 

Baldseagull

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If that is correct, then the question shouldn't be about whether she's allowed back in (she shouldn't be) but why we didn't keep the 400 other murderous b*stards out too.

If this girl had not also held a Bangladeshi passport, our Government could not have stripped her UK citizenship, but personally I think it's because she gave an interview to the press and she came across as unrepentant. Trial by media.
 

Hampster Gull

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I’m not in a mob. I am saying each case must be considered separately rather than anyone who went to Syria is a terrorist.

Not just you, but you said several times they are youth, not children, just pointing out in the eyes of the law, your wrong :shrug:
Suspect that won’t suffice though, you will drag something else up, whataboutery,
 


Baldseagull

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Back then, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be living in such a mollified, bleeding-heart society that apologists would simp for a terrorist whose stated aim is to literally murder the same bespectacled white, middle class merlot sippers who defend her. Why do you people *want* this vile creature in our country?

What does it get you? A smug feeling of liberal pride that being contrarian makes you more enlightened?

Get a grip. Terrorists are not welcome in the UK. And stop reading the Guardian, you know how it confuses you.

Stop reading the Sun and thinking you are informed.
 

Baldseagull

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Not in a court of law. She is a youth and treated differently from 10-13 year olds.

Part of the problem for me, is that she has never been in any court of law to determine whether or not she has committed any crime. What are the differences in the way 10 to 13 year olds are treated than 14 to 17 year olds?
 
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Jan 3, 2012
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But that is exactly what you were saying. You and your wife have a background in education, have you not, so you above most others, should know that compared to the influence that parents have on a growing child, those of teachers and governments are minimal at best. I recall at the time that the Police were moaned at by the parents for not stopping her slipping out of the country, but then weeks later that same indignant father was pictured at some radical Muslim demo shouting the odds. Parents influence their children first and foremost, and attempts to start shifting a bit of blame really only show that you are seemingly determined to go with your prearranged narrative.
Whether as a then 15 year old, she was totally capable of making up her own mind, is then a matter of debate as is the degree of sympathy one should have , but that is another argument. The fact that she was radicalised is the fault of her own and her parents -not anyone else.

I made it a full time job to find new ways to screw up when i was a kid , but i knew right from wrong long before i was 15 , so if i got in trouble guess who`s fault it was . Going by your way of thinking there would always be one reason or another why it wasn`t her fault , it was someone else`s , yours perhaps !

First and foremost I was not trying to say it is all the Government’s fault. It is true, though, that a Conservative Government seemed to reckon that radicalisation could be eliminated - a gross over-simplification of the actual situation.

I would be the first to agree that people know the difference between what is right and wrong for the most part at the age of 15. She and her friends obviously thought it the right thing to go to IS. Maybe it would actually be good to be able to find out why, who radicalised her/them and so on to stimulate what to most of us is an incomprehensible reaction. For all I know she might be pure evil, as was Harold Shipman, but maybe she isn’t. I just don’t like how so many people just write other people off without knowing the full facts of the case. I do not know the full facts of her case, so I won’t judge.

And of course Harold Shipman was never the same after his mother dropped him on his head. It was all her fault.
 


Zebedee

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I really don't give a damn about this fate of this stupid, ill informed girl. She can rot in hell for all I care.
 
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