[Politics] Brexit - 9 years on, time for a poll ?

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What should we do ?

  • Rejoin the EU

  • Rejoin the Customs Union

  • Renegotiate the Brexit deal we have but remaining outside the CU

  • Renegotiate a harder Brexit deal


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WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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One thing that has piqued my interest.

I see that over 30 people have voted for a harder Brexit and we now have this scheduled opportunity to renegotiate coming up that was part of the original deal. I am genuinely interested, now that we have seen the effect of the original deal, in any specific aspect you would like to see renegotiated and what 'harder' policy you would want to see in it's place ?

Maybe two months to think about it (and 44 people now) could explain what renegotiating a harder Brexit means, in any aspect whatsoever :shrug:

Because shirley nobody would vote on a poll for something they're completely and totally incapable of explaining even in the the most basic terms, can you ???

I can't help but wonder what a Brexit/Farage/Trump Venn diagram would look like :lolol:
 
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Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Oven ready deal. Get Brexit Done.
Three word catchphrases and now admitting they didn't know what they were doing.




One of Kemi Badenoch's top team has admitted there were flaws in the plan to return illegal migrants after Brexit, Sky News can reveal.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.


But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum".

Mr Philp appeared to suggest the scale of the problem surprised those in the Johnson government.
 


aardvark

New member
Jun 12, 2013
20
Oven ready deal. Get Brexit Done.
Three word catchphrases and now admitting they didn't know what they were doing.




One of Kemi Badenoch's top team has admitted there were flaws in the plan to return illegal migrants after Brexit, Sky News can reveal.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.


But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum".

Mr Philp appeared to suggest the scale of the problem surprised those in the Johnson government.
So if the voting public had known that the UK would lose the ability to return certain asylum seekers maybe just maybe the vote would have been 52% 48% to remain. Some reputable journo needs to put this to Farage as he was heavily responsible for the Brexit result
 


A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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Still a shit idea.
 




Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
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It would appear that Starmer has a plan.


Hopefully, bit by bit, little by little, pragmatism will start to defeat performative politics. The green shoots are starting to appear.

Brexit is going to take a while to fix because Labour does not have a democratic mandate to reverse it. I am really hoping that they can change hearts and minds over the next 4 years and take the bigger steps in the next parliament.
 




Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
18,583
Fiveways
It would appear that Starmer has a plan.


Hopefully, bit by bit, little by little, pragmatism will start to defeat performative politics. The green shoots are starting to appear.

Brexit is going to take a while to fix because Labour does not have a democratic mandate to reverse it. I am really hoping that they can change hearts and minds over the next 4 years and take the bigger steps in the next parliament.
I'm not as opposed to 'performative politics' as you are. In fact, I'd rather Starmer performed a little more politics, because there are other performers out there who are (and have been) dominating the air waves and are very effective in getting in the heads of so many amongst the electorate.

Taking on the current iteration of performativity might be just what's needed. And, to do that, what's needed is the performance of a more ambitious politics even if it isn't performed expertly. By which I mean, carve some clear lines between the likes of: the EU relation, the energy transition, securonomics/mixed economy vs freewheeling charlatanism. And so on.
 




nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
19,178
Gods country fortnightly
It would appear that Starmer has a plan.


Hopefully, bit by bit, little by little, pragmatism will start to defeat performative politics. The green shoots are starting to appear.

Brexit is going to take a while to fix because Labour does not have a democratic mandate to reverse it. I am really hoping that they can change hearts and minds over the next 4 years and take the bigger steps in the next parliament.
Whatever happens it has to be better than the disaster Johnson forced through in Dec 2019 bypassing any proper parliamentary scrutiny, an offer to extend the deal to make it better for both sides was declined. We still paying the price through higher taxes.

The only thing on his mind was his holiday in Mystique founded by some donor the following week
 


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