Boris Johnson to hold press conference at 4pm

[Simster]

Another sleepless night for me then. Of all the people on here I thought you would be aware of Clampys track record/Walter Mitty claims.

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He's been a tool, yes. But that doesn't excuse your shit post.

 

[Justice]

Well....

Lockdown, buggering about (the Boris plan) or my plan....I like my plan the best.

Enjoy the footy old friend, and I wish you the best Christmas you can manage :thumbusp:

My old man died when he was exactly my age. I'd not bet against me getting coughed at by some tit when I'm forced into work and going the same way. Frightened? Yes I am, to be fair.

Didn’t you say on another thread you didn't really have to work anymore if you chose not to

 

[Hampster Gull]

Nobody could foresee Covid on the horizon. It would cripple all governments no matter what brand or nationality.

Many people were flagging a pandemic as one of the biggest global challenges for many years, bill gates is one of the more high profile names. The UK even ran a pandemic exercise in 2016 with many learning points. I vaguely remember many saying at the beginning of this that the UK was one of the most prepared countries.

It didn't cripple all governments at all, there are plenty out there doing very well indeed. Im not trying to under estimate the job, it must be a nightmare, but thats the job and we have handled it pretty badly from start to wherever we are now. Some good things like the new hospitals and purchasing tons of different vaccines but few and far between. It isnt a government of the most talented in the elected party, its the Brexit diehards who were rewarded.

Our government gets an E- from me, to be presented at the next general election.

 

[Weststander]

And on the Johns Hopkins deaths per 100,000 the UK is above the USA

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

It always has been. Huge swathes of the US away from NY, NJ and Florida escaped in the spring. So the US had a very fortunate starting point.

Then Trump and his Rep. buddy governors set about catching up with European nations death per capita stats. Which they managed effortlessly.

 

[Billy in Bristol]

Defeating the point rather, lots of reports of people fleeing Tier 4 areas to other parts of the country...

 

[BN41Albion]

And on the Johns Hopkins deaths per 100,000 the UK is above the USA

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Very difficult to compare like for like though what with the differences between the two countries - the US is vast and has a very low population density in many areas compared to the UK.

Its still a shit show though, I'm not denying that.

 

[pastafarian]

If anyone is feeling rather miffed at todays turn of events and in need of a bit of light cheering up......
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Wont solve anything unfortunately, but grab a beer and escape the madness for a few minutes.

Stay safe everyone

 

[clapham_gull]

Defeating the point rather, lots of reports of people fleeing Tier 4 areas to other parts of the country...

Yep, including my neighbours.

Then again they've been taking the piss from day one.

 

[Weststander]

Many people were flagging a pandemic as one of the biggest global challenges for many years, bill gates is one of the more high profile names. The UK even ran a pandemic exercise in 2016 with many learning points. I vaguely remember many saying at the beginning of this that the UK was one of the most prepared countries.

It didn't cripple all governments at all, there are plenty out there doing very well indeed. Im not trying to under estimate the job, it must be a nightmare, but thats the job and we have handled it pretty badly from start to wherever we are now. Some good things like the new hospitals and purchasing tons of different vaccines but few and far between. It isnt a government of the most talented in the elected party, its the Brexit diehards who were rewarded.

Our government gets an E- from me, to be presented at the next general election.

Do you also award E- to Remainers Drakeford and Sturgeon, as well as EC stalwarts Macron, Conte, Wilmes, Rutte and Sanchez? Without an anti-EU bone in their bodies, they also presided over awful CV19 metrics. Despite having those same early warnings.

 

[sparkie]

See the ? at the end of my question!

Sorry, I didn't realise you were making a total guess in your question and had assumed you'd seen something about it.

 

[GT49er]

I'm no Corbyn fan ............. I can't see how Corbyn would have been any worse at all, sorry. And as I say, I'm NOT a socialist.

You may not be a Corbyn fan, but you certainly have an absolute hatred of Boris, of Brexit, and of anybody who went against your wishes and voted to leave the EU - but that last statement takes the absolute irrational biscuit!
Corbyn would have done better? There are (apparently) people who believe in unicorns on NSC (check out the posts of one of your Brexit hating chums), but even if that was the case it would be a more plausible idea than 'Corbyn couldn't have done any worse'.

He could!

PS. After some of your unpleasant previous responses, tracking me round from thread to thread, you're going straight back on ignore, so don't bother frothing at the mouth and coming after me - I'll only see your posts if I deign to.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Very difficult to compare like for like though what with the differences between the two countries - the US is vast and has a very low population density in many areas compared to the UK.

Its still a shit show though, I'm not denying that.

I agree, but in the absence of any other data I personally find the deaths per 100,000 a more meaningful statistic than just total deaths per country.

 

[Weststander]

I agree, but in the absence of any other data I personally find the deaths per 100,000 a more meaningful statistic than just total deaths per country.

Again, the US figure was very low compared to Spain, Belgium, UK, Italy, Netherlands, France.

Then US federal and state administrations spent 2020 on a criminal catch up. Despite having a fortuitous starting point.

 

[GT49er]

Sorry, I didn't realise you were making a total guess in your question and had assumed you'd seen something about it.

No problem! Cheers!

 

[The Clamp]

You may not be a Corbyn fan, but you certainly have an absolute hatred of Boris, of Brexit, and of anybody who went against your wishes and voted to leave the EU - but that last statement takes the absolute irrational biscuit!
Corbyn would have done better? There are (apparently) people who believe in unicorns on NSC (check out the posts of one of your Brexit hating chums), but even if that was the case it would be a more plausible idea than 'Corbyn couldn't have done any worse'.

He could!

PS. After some of your unpleasant previous responses, tracking me round from thread to thread, you're going straight back on ignore, so don't bother frothing at the mouth and coming after me - I'll only see your posts if I deign to.

Johnson has fecked this up for a number of reasons;

He's libertarian

He let his desire to appease his voting base dictate how he organised restrictions

His cronie-ism led to him wasting time, money and lives on awarding useless contracts to his pals and relatives

He has a pathological desire to be popular, meaning he left all unpopular decisions until it was too late

He allowed Cummings to lie to the public about breaking the law and failed to punish him, backing his lies. It's played down by his supporters but I think that was an absolutely pivotal point in his leadership and he failed us. From that point on, license was granted to thse who wish to break the rules. It can not be taken back now. Irreparable damage.

He cannot take anything seriously, treating even the gravest of situations as if he was being told off by the Parky for walking on the grass.

Would Corbyn have F'd it up in his own way? Maybe. I personally don't think so, but those are the reasons Johnson has lost control of this situation and I don't think Corbyn would have made these mistakes. Starmer definitely would not have.

 

[Simster]

You may not be a Corbyn fan, but you certainly have an absolute hatred of Boris, of Brexit, and of anybody who went against your wishes and voted to leave the EU - but that last statement takes the absolute irrational biscuit!
Corbyn would have done better? There are (apparently) people who believe in unicorns on NSC (check out the posts of one of your Brexit hating chums), but even if that was the case it would be a more plausible idea than 'Corbyn couldn't have done any worse'.

He could!

PS. After some of your unpleasant previous responses, tracking me round from thread to thread, you're going straight back on ignore, so don't bother frothing at the mouth and coming after me - I'll only see your posts if I deign to.

Ok, I'll bite. How exactly do you think Corbyn could have done any worse?

You're right, I have nothing but contempt for Boris Johnson. He's completely untrustworthy, corrupt and incompetent. I'm happy to back up all of that with examples, which is more than I can expect from you when it comes to answering my question above. You'll just scurry off crying like a stroppy toddler as you always do when it comes to backing up your drivel.

We all know there will be a deafening silence here when you can't back up your crap about Corbyn doing a worse job. As such, it's best if you just butt out of adult conversations and keep me on ignore. There's a good little fella. You snivelling bore.

 

[Weststander]

Johnson has fecked this up for a number of reasons;

He's libertarian
He let his desire to appease his voting base dictate how he organised restrictions
His cronie-ism led to him wasting time, money and lives on awarding useless contracts to his pals and relatives
He has a pathological desire to be popular, meaning he left all unpopular decisions until it was too late
He cannot take anything seriously, treating even the gravest of situations as if he was being told off by the Parky for walking on the grass.

Would Corbyn have F'd it up in his own way? Maybe. I personally don't think so, but those are the reasons Johnson has lost control of this situation and I don't think Corbyn would have made these mistakes. Starmer definitely would not have.

So, Sturgeon and Drakeford, acting on the same scientific advice, have also seen awful CV19 waves, have locked down, eased, set restrictions, eased, set harsher restrictions.

Lacking the Tory attributes and alleged corruption you despise, why have they equally failed?

 

[The Clamp]

So, Sturgeon and Drakeford, acting on the same scientific advice, have also seen awful CV19 waves, have locked down, eased, set restrictions, eased, set harsher restrictions.

Lacking the Tory attributes and alleged corruption you despise, why have they equally failed?

One’s a woman and the other is a Taff. Was never going to work out

 

[Simster]

So, Sturgeon and Drakeford, acting on the same scientific advice, have also seen awful CV19 waves, have locked down, eased, set restrictions, eased, set harsher restrictions.

Lacking the Tory attributes and alleged corruption you despise, why have they equally failed?

I don't think they have equally failed, to be fair. Scotland and Wales planned a more Draconian Xmas lockdown well before 19th Dec, which has enabled their people to plan for it in advance.

The people who live either side of me are both upset because they can no longer go up north to drop off presents for Xmas. Had they known a u turn was around the corner, they'd have planned to deliver/swap presents much earlier. As it is, their kids won't have half of their presents to open on Christmas day. Logistical arrangements are the biggest shambles here I think. So avoidable if Johnson had heeded the expert advice nearly two weeks ago as Keir Starker advised him to.

 

[clapham_gull]

I don't have much time for any politicians, but timing is everything.

To have a neo liberal (aka do what you ****ing like) politician in charge of the country during a pandemic is very bad luck.

When you've got politicians like Gove (and even advisors like Cummings) keeping him in check for the health of the nation, you know you have problems.