[Football] Ben White - Sings new FOUR year deal.

[nwgull]

There are a few players I would expect to want to leave if we were relegated.

Propper and Trossard are on the periphery of their National Team squads, which wouldn’t be helped by them playing in the Championship. Potentially Mac Allister too if he proves to be quality. Mooy jumped ship from Hudds after relegation, he might want to do the same again.

I think we have the depth to deal with these issues should they arise, and if not they are all saleable assets which would bring in enough money to buy replacements. But to expect to only lose one or two players were we to be relegated is unrealistic IMO. Players want to play at the best level they can and are not ultimately loyal to the club.

Trossard started with promise but hasn't done anything that will put him on the radar of other PL clubs. Mooy probably wouldn't be that in demand, either if he gets relegated 2 seasons in a row; and signing a 3 year contract extension suggests he it was Huddersfield that wanted to loan/sell him, not vice-versa!

If Mac Allister proves to be quality, then we probably won't get relegated!

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I'm talking about relegation clauses.

So it's tough enough to get players to sign talented players in their young 20s for a relegation threatened club (which we always are before the start of any given season) without inserting clauses in their contracts to say that if we do go down, their wages will drop commensurately.

I don't know the details of any of our players contracts, but it's highly likely Tony will have to bear the risk of having high wage earners which you can't shift (probably like Andone) whilst only having a Championship income plus parachute payments.

Why is it highly likely?

We tend to go after overseas talent that the rest of the prem have overlooked.
They aren't getting Premier league wages where they are, so even if it's just 1 year, they will be better off and have the label of "established" Premier League on their CV.
Trade off is that we reduce salary if we get relegated, but we won't stand in the way of any transfer that recovers the transfer fee.

I can see that appealing to most of the players we have brought in.

Ali J is the only one I can think of who was attracting serious interest from other Prem teams.

 

[Beanstalk]

This ought to get us back on topic:-

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/ben-white-hopes-grow-leeds-liverpool-transfer-discussed


However, pundit Kevin Phillips reckons Liverpool look most likely to sign the 22-year-old. But it’s not entirely bad news for Marcelo Bielsa, with Phillips raising the prospect of another loan.

Phillips told Football Insider: “I see a scenario where he goes somewhere and gets loaned back to Leeds.

“He looks like he enjoys playing there. I do not think if he went to Liverpool that he would play straight away.

“A player that has played well all season but he could go to a Premier League club and not play.

This is brilliant and hardly a surprise from ex-palace Kev - we are mentioned twice in the article, and not at all in relation to a transfer. If we were to sell Ben White to Liverpool (entirely plausible if a little unlikely in the current circumstances) and he was to spend his first season on loan at a PL club then WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE NOT LOAN HIM BACK FOR THE SEASON.

It is not unheard of to include a loan back option in deals for young players (Butland, Gruijic, Dele, Zaha) and the idea that we'd happily sell him to Liverpool so he could play against us for Leeds is laughable. Frankly, it paints us as naïve in the transfer market and there isn't really any evidence for that (bar Locadia if we are being super critical).

 

[Stat Brother]

This is brilliant and hardly a surprise from ex-palace Kev - we are mentioned twice in the article, and not at all in relation to a transfer. If we were to sell Ben White to Liverpool (entirely plausible if a little unlikely in the current circumstances) and he was to spend his first season on loan at a PL club then WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE NOT LOAN HIM BACK FOR THE SEASON.

It is not unheard of to include a loan back option in deals for young players (Butland, Gruijic, Dele, Zaha) and the idea that we'd happily sell him to Liverpool so he could play against us for Leeds is laughable. Frankly, it paints us as naïve in the transfer market and there isn't really any evidence for that (bar Locadia if we are being super critical).

Its glorious isn't it.

It reads as if Leeds are demanding, as part of the loan move, Brighton sell White to Liverpool, but only if Liverpool loan him back to Leeds.

I mean fair play to Leeds press and fans, they are fantastically deluded and it's so enjoyable.


If IF we stay up and if IF Leeds come up, I can already hear (hopefully) the Leeds fans booing White, as his name is announced at the AMEX.

 

[jessiejames]

At the end of the day, Brighton hold the upper hand, if they do sale and White is not a permanent starter, we will ask for the loan back. Little old Leeds do not have a say in it.

 

[Mr Putdown]

At the end of the day, Brighton hold the upper hand, if they do sale and White is not a permanent starter, we will ask for the loan back. Little old Leeds do not have a say in it.

If he’s sold, how could Brighton ask for the loan back?

 

[Stat Brother]

At the end of the day, Brighton hold the upper hand, if they do sale and White is not a permanent starter, we will ask for the loan back. Little old Leeds do not have a say in it.

You're beginning to believe Leeds - the plan is working.

The Albion don't hold the upper hand.

They hold every hand.
They own the deck.
They have dealt all 52 cards to themselves.
They have laid them all out on the table and said...





...Can you beat this?

 

[Mr Putdown]

You're beginning to believe Leeds - the plan is working.

The Albion don't hold the upper hand.

They hold every hand.
They own the deck.
They have dealt all 52 cards to themselves.
They have laid them all out on the table and said...





...Can you beat this?

Sadly, Liverpool probably could.

 

[Stat Brother]

Sadly, Liverpool probably could.

Not a lot sad by that, we'll just roll the conveyor belt along to the next one.



It's just a shame the striker conveyor is still stuck in reverse.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

Sadly, Liverpool probably could.

Will it be sad if they could, buy him for 30 million and loan him back to us for a season?


I agree we hold all the cards and are in a win win situation.

 

[jessiejames]

If he’s sold, how could Brighton ask for the loan back?

If Liverpool were to buy him, but wanted him to go out on loan if they think he's not ready then we could ask for him to be loaned back to us.

 

[jessiejames]

Then again now could we compete with the mighty Leeds. Remember Dunk had his head turned when we play the massive in the playoffs, who could resist that atmosphere and light show at Hillsborough?


Oh wait a minute.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

If he’s sold, how could Brighton ask for the loan back?

When you sold Zaha to Utd he remained with you on loan for the rest of that season. That’s exactly what people are suggesting could happen with Ben White if he’s sold to Liverpool. He could remain with us for next season to continue his development before joining Liverpool with a full season of PL experience. We could even make the loan stipulation part of the transfer deal.

The ridiculous thing in the current story doing the rounds is that Leeds somehow think they’ve got an influence on what happens to White this summer.

 

[Mr Putdown]

If Liverpool were to buy him, but wanted him to go out on loan if they think he's not ready then we could ask for him to be loaned back to us.

I agree totally with that, but that’s not what the post I quoted actually said.

 

[Mr Putdown]

When you sold Zaha to Utd he remained with you on loan for the rest of that season. That’s exactly what people are suggesting could happen with Ben White if he’s sold to Liverpool. He could remain with us for next season to continue his development before joining Liverpool with a full season of PL experience. We could even make the loan stipulation part of the transfer deal.

The ridiculous thing in the current story doing the rounds is that Leeds somehow think they’ve got an influence on what happens to White this summer.

Yes, and I totally agree with those people.

I’m pretty sure that scenario wasn’t mentioned in the post I quoted, hence questioning it.

 

[Mancgull]

We won’t be selling him. When Tony digs his heels in, they stay dug in. It’ll be a matter of principle, and of course he’s our player, end of.

 

[blue-shifted]

We won’t be selling him. When Tony digs his heels in, they stay dug in. It’ll be a matter of principle, and of course he’s our player, end of.

This is correct of course. But this is the last thing we should be saying this to Leeds fans on social media or anywhere else. The last thing we want to do is reduce the pleasure when the reality is forced upon them. Full on internet apocalypse. It will be delicious

Best just to let these threads go down slowly. Safe in the knowledge that in a month or two, you'll be able to laugh, like you've never laughed before

 

[Barry Izbak]

Best just to let these threads go down slowly. Safe in the knowledge that in a month or two, you'll be able to laugh, like you've never laughed before

Well, not since last time anyway

 

[jessiejames]

I agree totally with that, but that’s not what the post I quoted actually said.

I was not quoting you, I replied to what was said by Phillips in the team talk link. Phillips seems to think that Leeds will let us sale White on the condition Liverpool loan him back to them. What it has to do with Leeds I don't know. One thing is for sure though, Brighton hold all the cards, and in Bloom, Barber and the rest of the recruitment team it will be on our terms if we sale.

 

[Mancgull]

This is correct of course. But this is the last thing we should be saying this to Leeds fans on social media or anywhere else. The last thing we want to do is reduce the pleasure when the reality is forced upon them. Full on internet apocalypse. It will be delicious

Best just to let these threads go down slowly. Safe in the knowledge that in a month or two, you'll be able to laugh, like you've never laughed before

Get what you are saying. Sometimes it’s hard not to just let the truth come out but I’ll try to keep quiet and savour the moment when reality hits.