Battle Of Lewes Road Anniversary

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Yeah, they were. I'm not a fan of communism, but communists these days are just students. Fascists tend to be your fat, hooligans who just want to fight everyone. But

Communists are just students these days ? Utter rubbish.

 

[Dandyman]

I have a lot of clues thanks for asking.

The same shit unions were doing then still goes on now. Unionism was never a noble cause. Never was, never will be.

Anyone who opposes unionism openly is always labelled a fascist by the left wing union flogs.

Even if their issue is simply the union is disrupting their daily goings about.

"Try living on their wages before you judge them" - Those are the words of George V on the strikers. The General Strike was called because one million British miners were locked out by their employers, having previously had their wages slashed and working conditions made even tougher.

Unions are about defending and promoting the interests of working people. People like you are beyond contempt.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

They were crackling communists skulls though were they not?

That's a worthy cause.

Are you claiming that the 4,000 strikers who gathered outside the Lewes Road tram depot in 1926 were all communists? I think you'll find that they were a cross-section of Brighton residents, who didn't take kindly to the police 'cracking their skulls', as you put it.

I don't think anyone would describe me as left wing, but you come across as pretty clueless in your
posts,your great grandparents were probably part of the pickets and protesters you are so dismissive of.

Correct. And I don't often agree with bushy.

 

[GreersElbow]

Communists are just students these days ? Utter rubbish.

The main contingent, is student based. I use to be a member of the Socialist Party of England and Wales - the primary recruitment was students. I'm glad I'm out of that circle of hypocrisy among the left. The SWP is primarily student centred, it's their only recruitment basis. You will find older socialists, however, the main concentration was always on students.

Are you claiming that the 4,000 strikers who gathered outside the Lewes Road tram depot in 1926 were all communists? I think you'll find that they were a cross-section of Brighton residents, who didn't take kindly to the police 'cracking their skulls', as you put it.

Spot on, the MCU mistook the Brighton strike as a revolutionary one, far from the truth.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You can join pork pie on the clueless list, without trade unions kids would still be going up chimneys,literally.

I don't deny that they had "some" value back then. However that's long been eroded away by the thuggery, the violence, the corruption. That was of course also present back then it was just glossed over under the guise of "we're for the common working man". My Dad was a Union shop steward for 20 years. That's why I ended up a Libertarian politically. I saw first hand how the blaggards operate many a time.

 

[GreersElbow]

I don't deny that they had "some" value back then. However that's long been eroded away by the thuggery, the violence, the corruption. That was of course also present back then it was just glossed over under the guise of "we're for the common working man". My Dad was a Union shop steward for 20 years. That's why I ended up a Libertarian politically. I saw first hand how the blaggards operate many a time.

A libertarian advocating skulls being cracked? You make me laugh, libertarianism is 100% anti-violence, as that's apart of the philosophy of liberty.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Are you claiming that the 4,000 strikers who gathered outside the Lewes Road tram depot in 1926 were all communists? I think you'll find that they were a cross-section of Brighton residents, who didn't take kindly to the police 'cracking their skulls', as you put it.

Not at all.

Merely pointing out that to suggest all those who opposed the strike were fascists and they were the ones who deserved a skull cracking is akin to saying all the protesters were communists and deserved a skull cracking.

 

[Titus]

Most educating. Can we do the Salvation Army riots tomorrow?

 

[GreersElbow]

Not at all.

Merely pointing out that to suggest all those who opposed the strike were fascists and they were the ones who deserved a skull cracking is akin to saying all the protesters were communists and deserved a skull cracking.

I didn't say those who opposed the strike were fascist, I said distinctively "The strike breakers" were fascists. You may want to re-read everything twice.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

A libertarian advocating skulls being cracked? You make me laugh, libertarianism is 100% anti-violence, as that's apart of the philosophy of liberty.

I don't advocate any skull cracking. Not unless you get in my way and try to stop me going about my daily business.

You're view of Libertarianism being anti-violence is wrong. Classical Libertarians are but one of many branches of LIbertarianism.

The saying "My home is my Castle" very much sums up the Libertarian view point. So you threaten my castle i'll resist you with much force.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I didn't say those who opposed the strike were fascist, I said distinctively "The strike breakers" were fascists. You may want to re-read everything twice.

So none of them could have been a pople who opposed their town being held ransom by the strikers?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I actually have no issue with protesters, so long as they don't impede other people in their daily movements.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Not at all.

Merely pointing out that to suggest all those who opposed the strike were fascists and they were the ones who deserved a skull cracking is akin to saying all the protesters were communists and deserved a skull cracking.

That's why I resisted the efforts made at the top of this thread to characterise the 1926 Battle of Lewes Road as a clash between trade unionists and fascists. It wasn't.

The 1948 'Battle of Brighton' might well have been more like that, since it was organised specifically to oppose the resurgence of Sir Oswald Mosley's Union Movement. One of the pleasures of my career as a local government officer was once listening to two well-known Brighton politicians, Stanley Fitch and Stanley Theobald, reminiscing about the events of 1948, when they both took to the streets on opposite sides of the 'Battle'.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

For those interested in Local History, today is the 87th Anniversary of the Battle Of Lewes Road, Brighton.

Battle of Lewes Road - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

'The Middle Class Union was founded in March 1919 to safeguard property after the Reform Act 1918 had increased the number of working-class people eligible to vote.'

 

[GreersElbow]

I actually have no issue with protesters, so long as they don't impede other people in their daily movements.

Well, that's a huge change in heart...

So none of them could have been a pople who opposed their town being held ransom by the strikers?

I'm stating that the organising body of the strike breakers were fascist, not that EVERYONE was a fascist. Which is fact, if you bother reading about it.

I don't advocate any skull cracking. Not unless you get in my way and try to stop me going about my daily business.

You're view of Libertarianism being anti-violence is wrong. Classical Libertarians are but one of many branches of LIbertarianism.

The saying "My home is my Castle" very much sums up the Libertarian view point. So you threaten my castle i'll resist you with much force.

Your home is your castle has no relevance to advocating violence on another individual unless they're breaching your liberty.

Who's the libertarians who advocate violence? As you clearly advocate it by stating it's a worthy cause.

The Philosophy of Liberty - YouTube - to remind you what the philosophy of liberty is. Because I'm not entirely sure you truly believe in liberty.

 

[GreersElbow]

'The Middle Class Union was founded in March 1919 to safeguard property after the Reform Act 1918 had increased the number of working-class people eligible to vote.'

Have you read their stance on poverty? That's even funnier.

 

[GreersElbow]

That's why I resisted the efforts made at the top of this thread to characterise the 1926 Battle of Lewes Road as a clash between trade unionists and fascists. It wasn't.

The 1948 'Battle of Brighton' might well have been more like that, since it was organised specifically to oppose the resurgence of Sir Oswald Mosley's Union Movement. One of the pleasures of my career as a local government officer was once listening to two well-known Brighton politicians, Stanley Fitch and Stanley Theobald, reminiscing about the events of 1948, when they both took to the streets on opposite sides of the 'Battle'.

No one in this thread said it was a real clash of trade unionists versus fascists, only merely that the strike breakers just happened to be an organisation of fascist origin. It wasn't a real ideological battle like the 1948 sense, however, there was a fascist element involved.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Unions are about defending and promoting the interests of working people. People like you are beyond contempt.

They have you brain washed don't they Comrade.

Unions are about their senior officials feathering their own nests. Corruption in unions is and always has been rampant. Sure they promote some interests of the workers, but self interest comes first with the people in power.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I'm stating that the organising body of the strike breakers were fascist, not that EVERYONE was a fascist. Which is fact, if you bother reading about it.

I still don't agree. The organising body of the strike breakers was the Council, working with the police and the management of the tramways company and the railway works. And egged on by Winston Churchill, in his capacity as editor of The British Gazette, the official government 'newspaper'.

 

[GreersElbow]

They have you brain washed don't they Comrade.

Unions are about their senior officials feathering their own nests. Corruption in unions is and always has been rampant. Sure they promote some interests of the workers, but self interest comes first with the people in power.

I'd have to expand on this.

If they were truly in the interests of the 'workers', why the google is Bob Crow on £100,000+ salary? That's surely not in the interest of the members to pay subs to subsidise his massive salary.

Not the mention, the constant threat of strike action for larger wages actually prevents employment, as it's disruptive and drains money which could be used to hire more staff.
Unions before the 80s were denying people from employment unless they became members. They're not that democratic either.