Australian "Racist?" Released from Jail

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tedebear

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This will mean nothing to the majority of you but is interesting anyhow...

Pauline Hanson has just been released from maximum security prison in Australia.

She was jailed for fraud relating to donations made to her political party "One Nation" however that was the culmination of an enormous witch hunt against her which began after her comments in her first speech in the House of Representatives in Australia in 1996, basically similar to jailing a mobster for tax evasion.

Some of her comments in this speech I've put below - but judge for yourself whether she should have been correctly or incorrectly labelled as a racist, and then forced to become bankrupt and subsequently served time in a maximum security prison....racism is alive and well but is it allowable freedom of speech?


"I have done research on benefits available only to Aboriginals and challenge anyone to tell me how Aboriginals are disadvantaged when they can obtain three and five per cent housing loans denied to non-Aboriginals. This nation is being divided into black and white, and the present system encourages this. I am fed up with being told, ‘This is our land.’ Well, where the hell do I go? I was born here, and so were my parents and children. I will work beside anyone and they will be my equal but I draw the line when told I must pay and continue paying for something that happened over 200 years ago"

"I and most Australians want our immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1984 and 1995, 40 per cent of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate. Of course, I will be called racist but, if I can invite whom I want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in who comes into my country."

"Do we want or need any of these people here? I am one red-blooded Australian who says no and who speaks for 90% of Australians."

"Therefore I call for the introduction of national service for a period of 12 months, compulsory for males and females upon finishing year 12 or reaching 18 years of age. This could be a civil service with a touch of military training, because I do not feel we can go on living in a dream world forever and a day believing that war will never touch our lives again."
 






Seagull over NZ

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Remember all this brewing when I was livign in Australia.

She made a few comments that a lot of people in Australia were thinking, in the same way here the BNP say things that appeal to some people as well.

Their true colours come through eventually when you hear various racist comments coming out.

Its quite rich for Hanson to say about the immigration policy but how did she get there in the first place? Its just that the Asian culture is very different to her Anglo Saxon culture and she doesn't like it. Ignorance at best , racist at worst.
 




tedebear

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Exactly Seagull over NZ - loads of people were thinking it - but she actually stood up and said it....

the amount of times I've had a dicsussion with someone who said that they agreed with her but would never say it aloud? where does that put us...unable to comment on what we truly believe because its politically incorrect? disastrous state of affairs...
 








CHAPPERS

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I don't know but the Aboriginals have been f***ed over for years, they deserve anything they can get.
 








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Is that what Galah is?:lolol:



Nah think youre right Chappers.


Ted, Ta! Now I know. So youre all a bunch of (in the name of Alfred Stewart) Flamin' Galah's!
 
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tedebear said:
unable to comment on what we truly believe because its politically incorrect? disastrous state of affairs...
Sorry, but this is the classic whinge of the racist minority.

"'We' can't say what 'we' think" is supposed to convey the impression that 'we' think what 'everyone' thinks. The reality is that those thoughts don't necessarily represent a majority point of view at all.

If the pernicious racism that lies behind the whinging can be exposed early enough, it often turns out to be no serious threat at all.

Only rarely - and the Hanson case is an example - does it fool enough people to deliver any sort of political power. And. thankfully, that is usually shortlived - as we shall see when the BNP vote collapses at the next elections in those northern towns that have been stupid enough to allow the "We can't say what we think" argument to win through.
 


Captain Sensible

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Oh god another racism thread, we're all doomed. Truth is you have to watch what you say these days in public ie like telling jokes in a pub that some numpty finds "offensive". Anyway Close this thread because i can feel myself getting involved and I'm not going through this again!! Please!!:shootself
 


tedebear

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Lord Bracknell said:

"'We' can't say what 'we' think" is supposed to convey the impression that 'we' think what 'everyone' thinks. The reality is that those thoughts don't necessarily represent a majority point of view at all.

I entirely agree Lord B. what people think and what they say are two entirely different matters... I was simply alluding to the fact that some (ie Pauline Hanson) had the nerve to stand up and say what she believed in and she got hounded to the nth degree, resulting in time in a maximum security prison for not declaring party donations or some such...

whether or not I agree with her is irrelevant...
 




Pavilionaire

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I lived in Queensland for a year in 1996/97. I recall that her seat is about an hour or so inland from Brisbane.

If you're gonna get racism in Australia Queensland is your first port of call, so not surprising she got elected in the first place.

I recall that speech and the furore it caused. I think the problem for Australia is that after years of mistreatment of Aboriginals they then went too far the other way in the 1970s. The points raised by Pauline Hanson re. the equality of treatment needed to be discussed.

Unfortunately for her, she spoke at a time when Australia was moving away from the Commonwealth and closer to Asia, and the last thing John Howard needed was a loose cannon like her.

A nation has to be able to confront issues like this and conduct a civilised debate. I think Australia ducked the issue and by making a martyr out of her they're making things worse in the long run.

If this was Australia all the Anti-Falmer Brigade would have to do is say the proposed football ground site is a sacred Aboriginal burial site and the Albion plans would have been defeated instantly, no questions asked.
 


tedebear - I don't know enough about the details, but it might well be the case that hounding her could turn out to be counter-productive - especially if it turns her into a martyr and has the effect of increasing her support.

What is really needed is an open debate about the issues, not the people.

Although I agree with Captain Sensible that there is a time for silence, as well as a time for debate.
 


tedebear

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thats exactly what happened Lord B., exactly...

unfortunately I don't think a topic like this can be rationally discussed - the response from many people was akin to verbally going for the jugular..... not good for open debate...
 


looney

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Sorry, but this is the classic whinge of the racist minority.

"'We' can't say what 'we' think" is supposed to convey the impression that 'we' think what 'everyone' thinks. The reality is that those thoughts don't necessarily represent a majority point of view at all.

surveys suggest that they DO represent the majority veiw, and the PC brigade represent a liberal urban minority clustered around the media, academia,local gov, publishing and a few other areas. look at the distribution of newspaper sales in the UK alone.

If the pernicious racism that lies behind the whinging can be exposed early enough, it often turns out to be no serious threat at all.

Only rarely - and the Hanson case is an example - does it fool enough people to deliver any sort of political power. And. thankfully, that is usually shortlived - as we shall see when the BNP vote collapses at the next elections in those northern towns that have been stupid enough to allow the "We can't say what we think" argument to win through.

there was a good programme on C4 about the divisive nature of multi-culturalism presented by Kenan Malik, essentially the left and the BNP are singing from the same hymn sheet although from different ends. Bottom line is that if you dont defend your culture it will be replaced by someone elses
 




looney

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Pauline Hanson is a retard, but she has tapped in to resentments and fears held by the general population. These fears are at best ignored and worse derided and abused by the arrogant political left, only when the point is reached when stormtroopers are about to go stomping about does the handringing begin, see the french presidential elections.


Essentially the BNP are socialists, you can make comparisons across the political spectrum with the BNP and other parties but they THINK like socialists. Racism is a collectivist ideology, it does not treat people as individuals. This is a central plank of the left new or old. It is not a co-incidence that the growth in the "far right" corresponds with the election of left wing parties.
 


Captain Sensible

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There is hardly a Far left or Far Right anymore. Which is why our politics in the country is so inept. No-one cares anymore. You can't have a good government without a good opposition. Maybe in Howard the Tories might at least challenge the dictatorship of Blair. Because the Tories have been so weak for so many years the Labour party have been able to do what they wanted, without any fear of losing power. We need diverse opinions and hopefully reality and realism will be somewhere in the middle.
 


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