[News] Australian,bush fires.

[BadFish]

yes , yes i have .....forgive me for pointing out that there is precious little vegetation to burn in Coober Pedy unlike the Blue Mountains area where the wind is pushing the waragamba fire eastwards....there will be a southerly change this afternoon pushing the fire northwards towards heavily populated areas and the great western highway...!! the main route from sydney to the mountains....my brother in valley heights, ex sister in law in mt. wilson and nephew in woodford are all on high alert , packed up and ready to go....i know you aren't stupid but your comparison to Coober Pedy is.

Hope your family are okay up there.

 

[sydney]

Hope your family are okay up there.

i'm not religious but it really is in the lap of the gods.....they are predicting possible rain this evening and a drastic temperature drop tomorrow...down to 25 so we'll see , my brother described the flames from the fires as 60/ 70 mrs high with about a km of smoke above and then storm clouds forming above them with lightning bolts bouncing about inside....thus the hell on earth analogy....bloody frightening for all in the vicinity....thanks for your concern.

 

[pornomagboy]

what an amazing man maty Ryan is donating $1000 for every goal scored in Australian football today

https://twitter.com/MatyRyan/status/1213371599317024768?s=19

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[BadFish]

what an amazing man maty Ryan is donating $1000 for every goal scored in Australian football today

https://twitter.com/MatyRyan/status/1213371599317024768?s=19

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Pink is apparently chucking $500,000 to the cause too. Everybody is digging deep. I have seen offers of food, places to stay, people making kangaroo pouches etc to help save animals. People are amazing.

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[zefarelly]

I really hope the 2020's is the decade the world wakes up to what we are doing to our planet. We don't all need to become Greta Thunbergs, small steps, a good start would be...

a) Vote out governments that are CG in denial, like Scott Morrison, Trump and Bolsonaro (Boris is on watch to see what he does)

b) Starve companies from capital that aren't acting on CG, demand this from pension funds, managed funds etc

The situation in Australian is desperate, it really is the first time a first world country has been massively effected by a CG event, the cost to the environment is unprecedented...

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A sad and tragic image for sad and tragic times. Australia is, like we were until 35 years ago, over reliant on coal, however, what do they do instead, they can't just cripple their own finances . . . . Having an American evangelicalist PM certainly won't help. Aus is the prime place for solar investment and renewable infrastructure, loads of space, loads of heat and loads of sun, plus shit loads of waves coastline.

For the meantime, **** tourism, no ones visiting while you're on fire!

 

[Buffalo Seagull]

A sad and tragic image for sad and tragic times. Australia is, like we were until 35 years ago, over reliant on coal, however, what do they do instead, they can't just cripple their own finances . . . . Having an American evangelicalist PM certainly won't help. Aus is the prime place for solar investment and renewable infrastructure, loads of space, loads of heat and loads of sun, plus shit loads of waves coastline.

For the meantime, **** tourism, no ones visiting while you're on fire!

No one might want to visit now, but if people in the UK do want to do something to help these communities, the best thing you could do to help is to come and holiday in Australia in 12 or 18 months time, and stay in these towns and regional areas to help them get back on their feet. Tourism is such a vital part of these local economies.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

there may be accusations but cold hard facts remain

natural groundwater has been siphoned from water ways under licences which have been sold by governments to private concerns for horticultural and mining projects......in some instances these private concerns are very closely linked to current LNP members and 2 cases it's first hand involvement.

rfs and vfs have suffered huge budget cuts in the last 18 months ......govts have been warned by experts that the build up of ground fuel in areas where controlled burning has been stopped is reaching a critical level and in some cases is a disaster waiting to happen .......fines have been issued to people who have burned parts of their property without permission.......at the end of the day it all comes down to money , Morrison donates 110 k to his Hillsong church in Sydney for security...Dutton is given over 4 million in govt. grants to bring his day care centres up to scratch , another minister in this govt. has also leaked fake news to papers to discredit the current mayor of Sydney in a mayoral election in which his wife was a runner. Barnaby Joyce got his p.a pregnant , dumped his wife and kids and then became a stay at home dad whilst securing the mother of his child a 200k p.a position ....he is also heavily involved in the water scandal that is yet to be fully unearthed

unfortunately this govt. appears to have more bad apples than good , Morrison , who was sacked from the tourism board in 2012 for impropriety( very hard to be sacked as a govt. employee) is happy to be filmed at his Hillsong church , weeping and wailing , mumbling incantations and cadences to his big friend in the sky........it really is a bad joke.Him lurching through fire ravaged towns expecting a civil welcome is like somebody stealing your ladder and then expecting you to be happy when they bring it back to let you down off your roof.

the weather and firebugs are another facet of this disaster but above is a bit of an insight into why people are reacting in this way to the idiot morrison....the old firefighter who refused to shake his hand had just heard that his property had gone up in smoke.......and he's got some smirking gimp wanting to shake his hand for the cameras.

What a bloody nightmare.

 

[sydney]

A sad and tragic image for sad and tragic times. Australia is, like we were until 35 years ago, over reliant on coal, however, what do they do instead, they can't just cripple their own finances . . . . Having an American evangelicalist PM certainly won't help. Aus is the prime place for solar investment and renewable infrastructure, loads of space, loads of heat and loads of sun, plus shit loads of waves coastline.

For the meantime, **** tourism, no ones visiting while you're on fire!

the unions have been busted so they can bring in foreign labour to get the coal , gas , iron ore etc out of the ground cheap as possible ....there is no manufacturing industry left ....everything comes from china , we import food from china ffs...... huge tracts of farm land have been sold to china , ports , airports , coal mines, cattle and sheep stations sold to Chinese and Indian consortiums to make the budget look good .......where the money ends up is a subject for debate ......Our p.m has just announced that 4 fire bombers will be LEASED at a cost of 20 million......LEASED...... ??!! so it's alright to sell the backbone of the country to foreign interests but when it comes to securing machinery to fight fires we need to lease it......WTAF...??

 

[zefarelly]

the unions have been busted so they can bring in foreign labour to get the coal , gas , iron ore etc out of the ground cheap as possible ....there is no manufacturing industry left ....everything comes from china , we import food from china ffs...... huge tracts of farm land have been sold to china , ports , airports , coal mines, cattle and sheep stations sold to Chinese and Indian consortiums to make the budget look good .......where the money ends up is a subject for debate ......Our p.m has just announced that 4 fire bombers will be LEASED at a cost of 20 million......LEASED...... ??!! so it's alright to sell the backbone of the country to foreign interests but when it comes to securing machinery to fight fires we need to lease it......WTAF...??

Same as here, most of England was sold off 30 years ago

 

[vegster]

the unions have been busted so they can bring in foreign labour to get the coal , gas , iron ore etc out of the ground cheap as possible ....there is no manufacturing industry left ....everything comes from china , we import food from china ffs...... huge tracts of farm land have been sold to china , ports , airports , coal mines, cattle and sheep stations sold to Chinese and Indian consortiums to make the budget look good .......where the money ends up is a subject for debate ......Our p.m has just announced that 4 fire bombers will be LEASED at a cost of 20 million......LEASED...... ??!! so it's alright to sell the backbone of the country to foreign interests but when it comes to securing machinery to fight fires we need to lease it......WTAF...??

Sounds like the Australian dream lifestyle is finished then ? |looks like you have caught up with the UK and become wage slaves, the Chinese investments and trade are worrying, looks like they are taking over the world by buying it piece by piece without a gun being fired.

 

[BadFish]

the unions have been busted so they can bring in foreign labour to get the coal , gas , iron ore etc out of the ground cheap as possible ....there is no manufacturing industry left ....everything comes from china , we import food from china ffs...... huge tracts of farm land have been sold to china , ports , airports , coal mines, cattle and sheep stations sold to Chinese and Indian consortiums to make the budget look good .......where the money ends up is a subject for debate ......Our p.m has just announced that 4 fire bombers will be LEASED at a cost of 20 million......LEASED...... ??!! so it's alright to sell the backbone of the country to foreign interests but when it comes to securing machinery to fight fires we need to lease it......WTAF...??

There are vast lakes if millions of mega litres of water sitting in Queensland. They have been sold to foreign cotton Farmers (among other industries). This water should be flowing through NSW (been in drought for ages) Victoria and South Australia. One can't help but wonder how this water would have changed the disaster we are currently experiencing.

As someone said before this continent/country has so many resources and potential. Resources that are sold for a quick dollar to outside agencies that sees said potential realised elsewhere. I wonder where we will be at after the mining boom as so little had been reinvested.

When I first moved here in 2001, it was often said that we were world leaders in renewable technologies (we didn't use much of it due to beauraucratic red tape). With the sun and wind so available we have sacrificed this for ****ing coal.

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[BadFish]

Sounds like the Australian dream lifestyle is finished then ? |looks like you have caught up with the UK and become wage slaves, the Chinese investments and trade are worrying, looks like they are taking over the world by buying it piece by piece without a gun being fired.

Yes the golden years of the 80's are finished, we are following the US / UK neo liberal model. It's heartbreaking. My 15 year old has his heart set on moving to Scandanavia as she sees their more socialist systems as preferable to staying here or there UK. I guess that Brexit will make that love harder for him.

Did i read somewhere that Denmark found oil at the same time as the UK and insted that money to create a superb health system and budget surplus while the UK is now trillions in debt? I may have that wrong.

I just don't understand why we keep voting for these ......... Clowns, psychopaths...... I don't know what to write here.

The Liberal government over here have apparently found the time to make an advert about the fantastic work they have been doing during the disaster (after Scott Morrison got back from his holiday in Hawaii). https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/faa88f349b1e9214c1a74c11201d2633

There was also a link on the Liberal's website to donate to the bushfire effort. That link apparently went straight to the Liberal party fundraising page.
https://twitter.com/matttburke/status/1213359418613489666



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[Crispy Ambulance]

Yes it is finished, we are following the US / UK neo liberal model. It's heartbreaking. My 15 year old has his heart set on moving to Scandanavia as she sees their more socialist systems as preferable to staying here or there UK. I guess that Brexit will make that love harder for him.

I just don't understand why we keep voting for these ......... Clowns, psychopaths...... I don't know what to write here.

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Just hope you stay safe mate.

 

[Audax]

I spent a bit of yesterday (okay too much of yesterday) trying to understand the reasoning behind the arguement that the Greens are to blame for the bush fires. This rhetoric is rife on social media over here and somewhat prevalent on this thread (I am hoping for some clarity on this soon).

I don't doubt that you are right about the far right groups but my research lead me back to Barnaby Joyce - This man:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-bizarre-christmas-video-20191225-p53mt4.html

One thing is for sure, For the Greens to have caused this catastrophe they must have far more power and influence than their number of seats should allow them (currently 1 in the federal parliament and 9 in the senate). It is nice to see a political party making so much out of so little. They must be good!

Although possibly I have it wrong as in politics it seems that number of seats and forming governments does not seem to equate to the being responsible for shit. Maybe winning seats just gives you first dibs on who to pass the blame onto.

Barnaby isn't the sharpest tool in the box... he's not far right himself from memory, but is likely to have some right minded advisors and he'll say whatever he needs to to keep his seat. He's always been reliant on a particular demographic that is, let's say, more prone to right wing propaganda.

 

[BadFish]

Interesting information here.

https://www.boredpanda.com/australian-wildfires-new-south-wales/

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[Audax]

Hope your family are okay up there.

Same from me. My mum and grandparents are in Tuross Heads down on the south coast. So far, safe enough. But they're not far from Batemans Bay (to the north) and Narooma (to the south, which there were worries about last night but looks like they escaped any major fire advance).

 

[BadFish]

Just hope you stay safe mate.

Thanks mate, we are okay here (Geelong, near Melbourne), in fact we have had a bit of rain this morning. It is just heartbreaking watching the rest of the country.

And very irritating watching the politicians fiddle whilst telling us not to make this a political issue.

 

[BadFish]

If anyone has family or friends that need somewhere to go and can get to Geelong, I have a bit of room in my house and can set up a tent or two in my back garden. Put them in touch with me and we can sort something out.

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

Thanks mate, we are okay here (Geelong, near Melbourne), in fact we have had a bit of rain this morning. It is just heartbreaking watching the rest of the country.

And very irritating watching the politicians fiddle whilst telling us not to make this a political issue.

Good to hear, hope it stays that way for you.

I've got rellies in Cobram who seem to be ok and Scotts Head on the coast in NSW who are a bit more uncertain.

You live in the most amazing country I've ever had the pleasure to visit (6 times) and it breaks my heart to see and hear of the devastation you're experiencing. I really hope it subsides soon and you can get back to some kind of normality.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

My husband’s cousin lives just north of Adelaide and reported it is raining there. Let’s hope it continues especially to NSW.